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SixFeet
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 Posted - 2008/02/07 : 18:19:20
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
The U.K is decent, its just the government that are crap
Well you could live in the US.....
We're just a miniture US, it's not like we're head and shoulders above them in terms of ethics now is it...
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 21:41:44
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
The U.K is decent, its just the government that are crap
I don't think that's true, it's just you people only notice the bad things that happen, throwing aside the good things without so much as a praise. For instance, Blair has done wonders for the N.H.S. in his time, but everyone spent their time having a go at him for going into Iraq. I don't support the invasion, but I still know that it wasn't the only thing Blair did with his time. I think some people should stop ranting about their government, get off their arses and do something if they're so concerned about it. I wonder how many people on this site actually vote.
We only notice the bad things because nothing good happens. The NHS is a joke, dental treatment was an NHS service, but after the Labour government (who are supposed to be opposed to privatisation) its now £35 or so to just go sit in a dentist chair for 2 and a half minutes whilst he flashes a mirror in your mouth, there are still NHS dentists but the waiting list at the one near me is 3 and a half years, its a joke that we should have to pay for dental treatment, yet people can recieve a sex change on the NHS! Also, MRSA is a quality new NHS revelation and also the rise in men dieing of prostate cancer because there is no screening method. People at college dont have to pay for prescriptions yet people at university do, where is the logic in that? The NHS is so good that BUPA are making a bloody mint.
I vote everytime there is an election wether its a general election or council. As for Iraq, there was no reason to invade iraq, but being britain we have to hold americas hand all the way. I wouldnt want to live in America. Germany or Australlia yes.
you never hear any crap with australlia or wateva, because they dont take no shit, they run there country proudly and they put their own people before anyone else.
Dont get me wrong, I love England, and im glad i live here, i just dont like the labour government. We live in a country were at the last general election, more people in England voted for Conservative than for Labour, yet Labour won the election
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 22:34:48
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you never hear any crap with australlia or wateva, because they dont take no shit, they run there country proudly and they put their own people before anyone else.
Dont get me wrong, I love England, and im glad i live here, i just dont like the labour government. We live in a country were at the last general election, more people in England voted for Conservative than for Labour, yet Labour won the election
Australia is very much on the bandwagon with the US and UK. Let's not just blame Labour either. They're all pushing their own agenda's. Not like Conservative's leading before Blair were great. Thatcher privatised everything possible, shit all over workers unions so they lost any sort of power on how their place of business were run. She sold off all types off arms to Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, took us into a pointless war in the Falklands. Let's not just blame Labour here and paint Conservatives as our knight in shining armour.
More privatising was done by Thatcher than all other PM's combined and yet you support conservatives saying the privatisation of Labour is disgusting. Blair hasn't privatised anything, he has just completely ****ed them all up by putting morons in charge of them. Through the abolishment of the unions by Thatcher the employs got richer and the poorer got poorer as they had no power on conditions of their employment anymore.
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 22:44:31
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
you never hear any crap with australlia or wateva, because they dont take no shit, they run there country proudly and they put their own people before anyone else.
Dont get me wrong, I love England, and im glad i live here, i just dont like the labour government. We live in a country were at the last general election, more people in England voted for Conservative than for Labour, yet Labour won the election
Australia is very much on the bandwagon with the US and UK. Let's not just blame Labour either. They're all pushing their own agenda's. Not like Conservative's leading before Blair were great. Thatcher privatised everything possible, shit all over workers unions so they lost any sort of power on how their place of business were run. She sold off all types off arms to Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, took us into a pointless war in the Falklands. Let's not just blame Labour here and paint Conservatives as our knight in shining armour.
More privatising was done by Thatcher than all other PM's combined and yet you support conservatives saying the privatisation of Labour is disgusting. Blair hasn't privatised anything, he has just completely ****ed them all up by putting morons in charge of them. Through the abolishment of the unions by Thatcher the employs got richer and the poorer got poorer as they had no power on conditions of their employment anymore.
Pointless war in the Falklands? Wash your ****ing mouth out. If defending British citizens and soil from invasion isn't reason enough for war then nothing is.
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 22:46:50
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
you never hear any crap with australlia or wateva, because they dont take no shit, they run there country proudly and they put their own people before anyone else.
Dont get me wrong, I love England, and im glad i live here, i just dont like the labour government. We live in a country were at the last general election, more people in England voted for Conservative than for Labour, yet Labour won the election
Australia is very much on the bandwagon with the US and UK. Let's not just blame Labour either. They're all pushing their own agenda's. Not like Conservative's leading before Blair were great. Thatcher privatised everything possible, shit all over workers unions so they lost any sort of power on how their place of business were run. She sold off all types off arms to Israel, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, took us into a pointless war in the Falklands. Let's not just blame Labour here and paint Conservatives as our knight in shining armour.
More privatising was done by Thatcher than all other PM's combined and yet you support conservatives saying the privatisation of Labour is disgusting. Blair hasn't privatised anything, he has just completely ****ed them all up by putting morons in charge of them. Through the abolishment of the unions by Thatcher the employs got richer and the poorer got poorer as they had no power on conditions of their employment anymore.
I dont think conservatives would be perfect, but i think they are very different from when it was thatcher in charge and i think its time for them to have a go, i dont think its too healthy having the same party in for so long.
As for privitisation, i know conservatives privatised alot, but that is what they stand for traditionally. Labour are supposed to be against privatisation, thats why i dislike labour privatising things, because they are not supposed to, whereas you expect it from the conservatives.
Labour are supposed to charge high taxes (which they do) thus making the rich people pay more money to help 'keep' the poor. The taxes are high so that you dont have to pay for services, high taxes, free services. yet they raise national insurance and privatise dental treatment.....makes no sense. Conservatives are supposed to charge lower taxes but believe in privatisation so that you pay for services when you need them (which is why poor people traditionally dont vote conservative).......If the parites stuck by them things then i wouldnt caare but they dont. Personally id privatise most things, because by doing things the other way, u get a well off professional who is law abiding and healthy etc, paying all this tax to keep rapists comfortable in jail and people healthy in hospitals when its self inflicted.
thats one thing i like about america....health insurance, u dont have to have it but if you dont and you get ill u r up shit creek, but at least u arnt paying for every1 else
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 22:51:00
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
The U.K is decent, its just the government that are crap
Well you could live in the US.....
We're just a miniture US, it's not like we're head and shoulders above them in terms of ethics now is it...
Politically, the US and the UK are miles apart. Other than seeing eye to eye on things like interventionism and the perceived threat from terrorism, out governments are nothing alike. The Republicans are all but nationalists at the moment, and with the dip in the economy they're only going to get more extreme, from their point of view Britain is a horrible lefty socialist state.
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 22:51:58
to me the conservatives represent making people support themselves and makes people further themselves. its like you said, the poor got poorer, which isnt the fault of the rich, yet under a labour governmentt it is the rich who have to pay for the poor. its like, that kid at school who bullied the class geek, is now being paid his job seekers allowance by that geek that he bullied, which i do not support. people should make their own success. dontt get me wrong, im not rich at all, im from a single parent working class background and probably live in the smalleest house on the forum
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 23:32:38
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to me the conservatives represent making people support themselves and makes people further themselves. its like you said, the poor got poorer, which isnt the fault of the rich, yet under a labour governmentt it is the rich who have to pay for the poor. its like, that kid at school who bullied the class geek, is now being paid his job seekers allowance by that geek that he bullied, which i do not support. people should make their own success. dontt get me wrong, im not rich at all, im from a single parent working class background and probably live in the smalleest house on the forum
Well, though I understand your point, I don't agree. I believe socialism is supporting the people who need help from the state. And as for 'its like, that kid at school who bullied the class geek, is now being paid his job seekers allowance by that geek that he bullied, which i do not support.', that is a gross generalization, especially as rich kids are just as likely to bully as the poor kids are. I just don't trust tories, and believe most of the politicians on that party to be stuck up rich snobs. Maybe that a gross generalization. Oh well, the site wasn't made to have a political debate in.
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 23:34:46
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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blair definatly did some good things, i dont think the NHS was one of them though
they're just a more extreme example of Governments that have preceeded them.
'Cause Thatcher was less extreme than Blair?
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Posted - 2008/02/07 : 23:38:31
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Originally posted by redwingz:
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Originally posted by Jay-Owen:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
The U.K is decent, its just the government that are crap
I don't think that's true, it's just you people only notice the bad things that happen, throwing aside the good things without so much as a praise. For instance, Blair has done wonders for the N.H.S. in his time, but everyone spent their time having a go at him for going into Iraq. I don't support the invasion, but I still know that it wasn't the only thing Blair did with his time. I think some people should stop ranting about their government, get off their arses and do something if they're so concerned about it. I wonder how many people on this site actually vote.
Dont get me wrong, I love England, and im glad i live here, i just dont like the labour government. We live in a country were at the last general election, more people in England voted for Conservative than for Labour, yet Labour won the election
And in America, the 2001 election was fixed by the republicans. You can go live wherever you want, ****ed up things will happen. And you think that Cameron is gonna help your NHS? I say Cameron's a ****ing joke.
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 00:13:48
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Pointless war in the Falklands? Wash your ****ing mouth out. If defending British citizens and soil from invasion isn't reason enough for war then nothing is.
Explain what right we have to occupy the Falklands? You seem to be mistaking that I'm all for the regime that was ruling Argentina at the time (the coup which saw them come to power was infact subsidised by the CIA) taking control of the islands. I'm saying the Falkland's should belong to the Falkland's people.
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Originally posted by redwingz:
I dont think conservatives would be perfect, but i think they are very different from when it was thatcher in charge and i think its time for them to have a go, i dont think its too healthy having the same party in for so long.
Conservatives were in power for 18 years before Blair.
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As for privitisation, i know conservatives privatised alot, but that is what they stand for traditionally. Labour are supposed to be against privatisation, thats why i dislike labour privatising things, because they are not supposed to, whereas you expect it from the conservatives.
Labour hasn't privatised anything and they haven't privatised Dental care! They've completely mismanaged and up the rates for people to go to university to study any form of health care. There have always been private practice doctor's and dentist's it's just now they're making far more money as there are no longer enough health care practioneners to replace the ones leaving.
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Originally posted by redwingz:
Labour are supposed to charge high taxes (which they do) thus making the rich people pay more money to help 'keep' the poor. The taxes are high so that you dont have to pay for services, high taxes, free services. yet they raise national insurance and privatise dental treatment.....makes no sense. Conservatives are supposed to charge lower taxes but believe in privatisation so that you pay for services when you need them (which is why poor people traditionally dont vote conservative).......If the parites stuck by them things then i wouldnt caare but they dont. Personally id privatise most things, because by doing things the other way, u get a well off professional who is law abiding and healthy etc, paying all this tax to keep rapists comfortable in jail and people healthy in hospitals when its self inflicted.
Yes because a single parent working 50+ hours a week on minimum wage SHOULD be paying the same amount of tax as the the executives of British Telecom. That to me sounds like democracy in action!
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thats one thing i like about america....health insurance, u dont have to have it but if you dont and you get ill u r up shit creek, but at least u arnt paying for every1 else
The problem with privitisation of the health professions is health companies are there to make profits, they are after all a COMPANY. So the less they spend on your care is what they'll be looking to do or even down right refuse you on some technicality. Public health care is similar to paying house insurance. You know that most likely you'll only have to claim off it once or twice your entire life for minor things most likely never for anything major, but it's the security that if you go out and it burns down you're protected.
I'd rather pay a little every month for a public run health care service than have no cover and just hope that I will never need to use it. Maybe you shouldn't be using US as a example of great health care service, considering it barely scrapes into the top 40 in the world...
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 04:18:37
You ppl have the right idea bout the USA....it sucks arse... but you really don't kno how bad it is till you livee there.... and i do unfortunately... the citizens arrogance disgusts me... i hate my" fellow americans" when i was in the bahamas this october, ppl would ask me where i was from i would use my decent and say i was from Puerto Rico or Italy... it sucks here... When i told m,e family that i was movin here i got the whole speech about, there is no place like the US and, We are the super power of the world , but honestly... i don't give a rats arse wat they say cause they are so caught up in the AMERICAN DREAM.... they flipping tell me i cant make it as a dj or musician in Europe or the UK cause rest of the world doesn't offer the same "benefits" america does... well HOW THE HELL DO THEY THINK TIESTO OR KURT OR STYLEZ,GAMMER, NO LEFT TURN OR ANY OR GOOD ARTIST GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE......HINT HINT, THEY DIDN"T LIVE IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE USA really should stand for the UNUNITED STATES OF *******S
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 09:32:35
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
The U.K is decent, its just the government that are crap
Well you could live in the US.....
We're just a miniture US, it's not like we're head and shoulders above them in terms of ethics now is it...
I don't know anything about politics, and personally i think it's a load of bollocks; but i would definately not say we are anything like the US ethically :P
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 10:25:02
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well HOW THE HELL DO THEY THINK TIESTO OR KURT OR STYLEZ,GAMMER, NO LEFT TURN OR ANY OR GOOD ARTIST GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE.....
I'm sure it's a question that deeply plays on the mind of your average american citizen.
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 10:33:59
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Chilll
I'm planning to move to the U.K. for uni.
Already have been accepted to one in London,
but still applying to more atm.
It's funny how everyone is always like, why someone wants to move/go to their own country..it's bad, etc. But I suppose it's just that people always want what they don't have and don't appreciate things they do have that other people want.
move to australia
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