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Vitalism
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 Posted - 2008/02/08 : 03:40:52
i personally write down whenever i discover two records that sound really awesome together.
over the past year and a half i've found quiiiiite a few really good ones.
if i had more time, i'd go through and find out what key every record is in and write it down, but for the time being i just wait til i find harmonic mixes by chance.
when i get my mixer fixed i'd love to share a mix with y'all.
... just wondering if anyone else does this?
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 04:29:29
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Originally posted by alex_e:
i personally write down whenever i discover two records that sound really awesome together.
over the past year and a half i've found quiiiiite a few really good ones.
if i had more time, i'd go through and find out what key every record is in and write it down, but for the time being i just wait til i find harmonic mixes by chance.
when i get my mixer fixed i'd love to share a mix with y'all.
... just wondering if anyone else does this?
I try to do that...and there is actually a tool that can help with that (although I don't personally use it).
Mixed In Key is the program, it analyzes songs and finds which would mix harmonically.
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Samination
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 10:54:25
the very first harmonic mix i did, was, funny enough, my very first,
DJ Dougal & Gammer - 6th Gate (Breeze & Styles remix) -> into -> DJ Brisk & Kevin Energy - Unlock Ya Brain. compared to the rest of this mix, these 2 sound genually made for each other :P
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 11:37:19
I used to when i first started mixing many years ago.
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__CMC__
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 12:17:36
The wonders of technology!
I scanned my collection of mp3's with mixed in key (aquire free from the usual places) then i choose the option to write the key into the commemt field of the id3 tag. So now all my tracks have the key stored in the comment field!
But do i use it, nah i have tried it but tbh its not all that IMO
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 12:48:16
I do it sometimes but not for every mix - its too limiting. Sometimes I have stuff in key that still sounds bad - the key is only one element to consider. Either way, you can't build a whole set like that unless you stay in compatible keys all the time which would limit you stupidly. Plus, you said you're using vinyl which makes it more or less impossible to mix in key unless you're super lucky. This is due to the fact that even if ywo records are in the same key, the change you make on the pitch fader will negate everything... Obviously there are some exceptions (like I said, if you're lucky as hell) but there's no way you could play a live set in key with vinyl because you would have to have it planned and it would completely limit your freedom... Chances of having good track selection, good progression and such go down when you're limiting yourself to records that are the same speed and in compatible keys, especially if you play out often and are expected to play upfront... Now if you're using cdjs its a different story - that's usually how I do it (key lock)... But even then you get artifacts if you're not super close and not every club has cdj1000s.... That's all, sorry about the big block of text but I'm typing from my phone....
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 18:20:04
you're right. because i am using vinyl, everything wont be on exactly on key... close but not exactly on key. it can make for some awkward progressions between two tracks of different styles/time periods.
it is restricting, yes, but i don't try to do this all the time. i just mix for fun and write down when i hear something good. i just thought something good might some out of it eventually. everyone could hate the set, i really dunno.
this would only be a one-time thing that i wouldn't do live. it took me a damn long time to find the ones that i did, but i still think that it's worth a recording.
well... i dunno. it's just the something i thought some people might appreciate. i have yet to actually throw together a recorded set, i was just curious if anyone else did this too.
and is key lock different than master tempo? i only ever owned the pioneer 200s so... needless to say they weren't amazing.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 18:22:51
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
the very first harmonic mix i did, was, funny enough, my very first,
DJ Dougal & Gammer - 6th Gate (Breeze & Styles remix) -> into -> DJ Brisk & Kevin Energy - Unlock Ya Brain. compared to the rest of this mix, these 2 sound genually made for each other :P
6th gate actually scares me...
definitely not what i'd consider "happy" hardcore.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 18:34:02
quote:
Originally posted by alex_e:
you're right. because i am using vinyl, everything wont be on exactly on key... close but not exactly on key. it can make for some awkward progressions between two tracks of different styles/time periods.
it is restricting, yes, but i don't try to do this all the time. i just mix for fun and write down when i hear something good. i just thought something good might some out of it eventually. everyone could hate the set, i really dunno.
this would only be a one-time thing that i wouldn't do live. it took me a damn long time to find the ones that i did, but i still think that it's worth a recording.
well... i dunno. it's just the something i thought some people might appreciate. i have yet to actually throw together a recorded set, i was just curious if anyone else did this too.
and is key lock different than master tempo? i only ever owned the pioneer 200s so... needless to say they weren't amazing.
oh yeha, it's ALWAYS a good thing to find "pairs" of tracks that go well together
that can make for a sick set
I'm just saying, doing that consistently and making every mix in key is pretty brutally hard and/or limiting and/or impossible
key lock is the same thing as master tempo - it artifacts past 3% pitch diff
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 19:03:23
oh and I forgot to say
Mixed in Key is wrong...often
I got it to analyze some of my tracks and it was off
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 20:10:53
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Originally posted by __CMC__:
...So now all my tracks have the key stored in the comment field!
only half the work is done at that point. i've used the program before too, and even though two tracks may be in the same key at 0%, if the BPM are different then it won't be a harmonic mix.
they have to be in the same key while playing at the same bpm.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/02/08 : 20:14:45
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
oh yeha, it's ALWAYS a good thing to find "pairs" of tracks that go well together
that can make for a sick set
I'm just saying, doing that consistently and making every mix in key is pretty brutally hard and/or limiting and/or impossible
key lock is the same thing as master tempo - it artifacts past 3% pitch diff
you learn something new everyday... i didn't realize that shitty breaking-up sound was called artifacting. it's really too bad that there isn't a better sounding way to do that because on paper, key lock is a really good idea.
and using a cellphone to post on hhc.com? now that is hardcore.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/09 : 00:20:11
Well, I'm on a blackberry and I can type super fast. Its just really bad to do paragraphs and stuff...
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Jax
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Posted - 2008/02/09 : 10:59:18
for hardcore i wouldnt even think about harmonics, if a tune mixes it mixes, if it doesnt, eq it, if it still doesnt dnt mix them together again :P
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/09 : 15:40:40
Yeah, proper eqing and structure can offset the need for harmonic mixing but for more complex/interesting mixing you need to be careful with harmonics...
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ChadP
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Posted - 2008/02/10 : 18:53:41
Quote: oh and I forgot to say
Mixed in Key is wrong...often
I got it to analyze some of my tracks and it was off
Hi Dain-Ja,
Which version of Mixed In Key are you using? Versions that you find for ahem *cough* free on the net use an older key detection algorithm that is not as accurate as the current one (version 3+). If you are using the newer version and getting inaccurate results, we would like to know about it. You can join us on our forum here: http://community.mixedinkey.com/Participate.aspx
As far as mixing harmonically with vinyl, we have lots of vinyl dj's who use our software. They know how much they can speed up or slow down a record and stay in the same key. If you speed up a record past 3%, you know that you need to adjust the key accordingly. It's all simple math that our software will do automatically for you in the future.
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