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Vladel
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 Posted - 2008/02/15 : 06:28:46
Does anyone agree with me that on the compilation cds that there maybe too many tracks!
Hear me out on this one......
If you go back a few years when compilations were only just coming into their own like absolute hardcore (1997). On the brisk disks you would have many occasions of him holding two tracks in the mix for almost two minuites with beats dropping away and picking up etc, before the second track took over fully
You listened to it and thought, that mixing must take alot of skill !
Not any more.........
I realise bonkers 17 was truely amazing but track one to two he didn't even bother to mix it
and there's a few other places too that the crossover between tracks is a bit rushed. I also realise that 28 tracks looks great on the back of a case but it means that there is no real time for a track to make an impact and makes the mixing all the more rushed.
Brisk is not alone in bombarding us with too many tracks but i'm only using him as a comparison because of the way the mix master used to be!
I honestly think that twenty tracks is more than enough and we could do without the tracks on cds that only play for two minutes.
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 09:06:43
For a start it wasn't just Brisk on Bonkers 17 - Ham mixed it aswell.
As for the way the albums are mixed, I think it's mainly due to the fact that they do not use vinyl to mix albums anymore, it's either CDJ's or PC software like Ableton. Thus meaning you can do quicker mix's and get more tracks on the CD - they obviously want to get more tracks on the CD's as it means more artists making money too.
I agree that sometimes the way albums are "mixed" these days is not great, CLXH being some of the worst mixing in recent years - it would be nice to go back to the old style from time to time.
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 19:19:24
Which is why I hold MANY of the mixes I have only found on these forums in much higher standard then any big label compilation. Listening to amatuer mixes is so much more enjoyable for me.
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 20:59:12
It seems that Brisk is the topic starter for this and I have to say that it was a surprise to me that he and Ham put almost 30 trax on those mix CDs. I said in another topic that I would've thought that the Euphoria: hardcore CD mixed by Brisk & ham would b the best but there were just too many damn songs and the cd was the shortest; less than 70minutes I believe. That didn't change much on the bonkers CD mix they had again mixed by brisk and ham. I expected much better from the both of them b/c Ham has had some of the most amazing trax I ever heard. And brisk did the happyhardcorefoundation mixes from HighBorn music that I found brilliant.
When I 1st heard hardcore most CDs only went to about 12-16 trax (happy2bhardcore compilations and the brisk mixed CDs). If anyone has ever listened to hard house (stuff mixed by DJ Venom and some older stuff from DJ Irene) you can see why the trax were so short and why there were so many of them on an album (sometimes almost 40 or more!). The sound was too repetitive and listening to 15 trax at almost 5 minutes long each would make you psychotic.
I don't consider that the same for hardcore. The beats are not completely repetitive and it disappoints me when the track is just getting to the good part and another song immediately starts. I hope that any of those 2 reads this topic and start understanding that it really is about quality- not quantity.
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 21:54:25
I know. I would love to hear some actual mixing instead of just switching the song over with very little mix time between the tracks. I want to hear the odd mash-up of words and lyrics and beats, but DJs dont do that anymore because today's listeners like a clean sound, they dont want to hear 2 tracks playing at once for longer than 30-50 sec.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 22:46:57
umm
Brisk's mixes are amazing
none of the mixing is rushed and having 30 tracks on a mix is a godsend
I never thought I'd ever see a topic like this
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Posted - 2008/02/15 : 22:52:16
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
umm
Brisk's mixes are amazing
none of the mixing is rushed and having 30 tracks on a mix is a godsend
I never thought I'd ever see a topic like this
i'm definitely inclined to agree
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 00:53:45
I have to agree that there is never too many tracks on an album. Speedfreak uses around 60 tracks and 100 samples on his Cycore Mega Mixes and that just keeps it interesting.
However, while I do think Brisk & Ham did mix Bonkers 17 well (technically), The track selection didn't do it for me. Too many of the songts sounded the same in my opinion.
If anyone from Bonkers is listening - Keep Sharkey & Kevin Energy together. Best Sharkey mix since Bonkers 9. And Freeformation was excellent.
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 02:31:40
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Originally posted by stray:
If anyone from Bonkers is listening - Keep Sharkey & Kevin Energy together. Best Sharkey mix since Bonkers 9. And Freeformation was excellent.
Vibes doesnt do Freeform. I am actually glad Sharkey threw in some happier tracks!
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 04:20:12
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by stray:
If anyone from Bonkers is listening - Keep Sharkey & Kevin Energy together. Best Sharkey mix since Bonkers 9. And Freeformation was excellent.
Vibes doesnt do Freeform. I am actually glad Sharkey threw in some happier tracks!
wtf are you even talking about? you're going to sit here and imply that the sharkey and kevin energy disc is not freeform because it has techno wonderland 2007 on it? that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 04:38:54
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Originally posted by Meph751:
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by stray:
If anyone from Bonkers is listening - Keep Sharkey & Kevin Energy together. Best Sharkey mix since Bonkers 9. And Freeformation was excellent.
Vibes doesnt do Freeform. I am actually glad Sharkey threw in some happier tracks!
wtf are you even talking about? you're going to sit here and imply that the sharkey and kevin energy disc is not freeform because it has techno wonderland 2007 on it? that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
no no no, I know its a dominate freeform mix, but I was just pointing out to the person about Vibes not being a Freeform dj so he wouldnt get the idea that just because its on a Sharkey/Kevin E. mix, doesnt mean its all Freeform.
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 05:08:45
I know vibes isn't freeform. I probvably should form sentences better. I meant freeformation the album was excellent, Sharkey & Kevin Energy work well together.
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 06:51:25
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by Meph751:
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by stray:
If anyone from Bonkers is listening - Keep Sharkey & Kevin Energy together. Best Sharkey mix since Bonkers 9. And Freeformation was excellent.
Vibes doesnt do Freeform. I am actually glad Sharkey threw in some happier tracks!
wtf are you even talking about? you're going to sit here and imply that the sharkey and kevin energy disc is not freeform because it has techno wonderland 2007 on it? that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.
no no no, I know its a dominate freeform mix, but I was just pointing out to the person about Vibes not being a Freeform dj so he wouldnt get the idea that just because its on a Sharkey/Kevin E. mix, doesnt mean its all Freeform.
Where did all that come from Justin?
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 07:43:03
In an interview on the underground tv programe shown last year sharkey was asked what exactly was freeform. He said that freeform was supposed to be play anything whatever you want! not conforming to any one style because it's a hardcore rave. So in essence playing happy tunes on a freeform disk fits in with the very idea itself
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Posted - 2008/02/16 : 12:25:59
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Originally posted by Vladel:
In an interview on the underground tv programe shown last year sharkey was asked what exactly was freeform. He said that freeform was supposed to be play anything whatever you want! not conforming to any one style because it's a hardcore rave. So in essence playing happy tunes on a freeform disk fits in with the very idea itself
hit the nail on the noggin, but that said, freeform has very much become a sound of its own. just like freestyle swimming. still freeform has much more variety throughout its 'style' than happy hardcore does
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Posted - 2008/02/18 : 18:11:18
Hey everyone..
Just thought I'd drop in on this one seeing as my/our work is being commented on.
Both Ham and I are not trying to set any trends by cramming as many tracks onto one cd. Our ethos with the aforementioned compilations was simply to try and make the disc as exciting as possible! When presenting a project to the public we do not expect it to be to everyone's taste but we are extremely pleased that some of you enjoyed our output.
Just to point out, the more tracks that are featured on a disc actually means a lesser monetary amount for each individual track as the royalties are divided by the number of tracks on an album. Therefore, we would make more money per track by putting less track on the mix. As previously mentioned, our ethos was to make the mix as exciting as possible and the suggestion that putting profit before this is actually highly offensive.
One last point - we are able to do things in the studio that we couldn't on turntables (quick edits, effects etc) and anyone who has had heard me live recently will know that my mixing style still focuses on lengthy and accurate beatmatching.
Bottom line - you can only please some of the people some of the time!
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