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kathryn
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 Posted - 2008/05/08 : 14:58:14
Why isnt alcohol classed as a drug then its daft?
alcohol is responsible for more deaths innit?
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whispering
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 16:47:11
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Why isnt alcohol classed as a drug then its daft?
alcohol is responsible for more deaths innit?
afaik its classed as a drug here, just not an illegal one. At least here the government has tryed in the past to ban alcohol and regulate it, neither worked. Its just not that simple to just ban something that has been used for centurys and can be home made extremely easily :P
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 18:17:49
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Why isnt alcohol classed as a drug then its daft?
alcohol is responsible for more deaths innit?
Alcohol and Tobacco are responsible for nearing 100,000 deaths a year in the UK. There's less than 1,000 deaths a year attributed to all Class A, B and C drugs combined. Because Alcohol is big business and taxable with huge amounts of lobbyists to prevent it ever being banned, same with Tobacco. Seriously, legalise cannabis and tax it and away goes our countries budget worries.
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Originally posted by SPOOX:
Doesn't bother me at all. I've never smoked anything. Never wanted too either. Horrible habit. Prefer a nice cold pint instead.
A fight occurs out at night. Are the culprits either:
A. High
B. Drunk
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Originally posted by djbuzz1021:
The male plants do not make THC as they produce pollen for the females
If I remember my Biology I'm pretty sure their's no such thing as male and female plants. They all reproduce asexually and pollenate themselves.
I have never smoked Cannabis and not really wanting to start either. But if alcohol and tobacco is freely available to me then why shouldn't cannabis? There's bigger things going wrong with the country at this moment in time than bickering over the class on cannabis in the House of Lords.
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 18:26:05
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
If I remember my Biology I'm pretty sure their's no such thing as male and female plants. They all reproduce asexually and pollenate themselves.
Plants aren't asexual, they don't really have a gender necessarily, but they can't pollinate themselves. That's what insects are for. :D Or seeds in fruit. Spreadin' that pollen.
Btw, cannabis does indeed have genders, that's why you can crossbreed them and make different strains.
Like that purple...:P
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kathryn
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 19:14:59
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Originally posted by Leto:
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
If I remember my Biology I'm pretty sure their's no such thing as male and female plants. They all reproduce asexually and pollenate themselves.
Plants aren't asexual, they don't really have a gender necessarily, but they can't pollinate themselves. That's what insects are for. :D Or seeds in fruit. Spreadin' that pollen.
Btw, cannabis does indeed have genders, that's why you can crossbreed them and make different strains.
Like that purple...:P
are dandelions gay then?
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 21:19:29
Damn right it should be a class B drug. It's pretty feckin' nasty if you ask me!
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 21:50:04
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by djbuzz1021:
The male plants do not make THC as they produce pollen for the females
If I remember my Biology I'm pretty sure their's no such thing as male and female plants. They all reproduce asexually and pollenate themselves.
1. I'm pretty sure male plants do produce some THC, but generally very little (because they don't produce buds like the female plants do, so it's just leaf + stem concentrations.)
2. Usually plants can pollinate themselves, but there are some plants that have separate males and females, cannabis being one of them.
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whispering
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 21:57:21
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
Alcohol and Tobacco are responsible for nearing 100,000 deaths a year in the UK. There's less than 1,000 deaths a year attributed to all Class A, B and C drugs combined. Because Alcohol is big business and taxable with huge amounts of lobbyists to prevent it ever being banned, same with Tobacco. Seriously, legalise cannabis and tax it and away goes our countries budget worries.
I call ******** (on the 100,000 deaths / year thingy). They both cause death, but if a smoker dies, its not necessarely because of the smoking. In statistics, it will be because of it. Smokers die younger, but so do athletes, yet no one is saying sports kill people.
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Jax
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Posted - 2008/05/08 : 22:03:22
im not sure if this has been mentioned or not...
i dont think it is all about how many people die or have fights. it is also about the government saying that cannabis is bad for your health, especially on the mental health side of things.
if they send the signal out that it is a safe drug then it is going to invite lots more people into trying it, which imo is a bad thing.
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 Posted - 2008/05/09 : 01:48:18
in canada it was actually decriminalized for while a couple years ago...so not ILleagle..but not leagle..i dunno how it worked really. all i know is out here it is absolutly nothing to smoke weed. and i know more people who at least WILL smoke than wont.
i smoke it almost the same way that other people smoke ciggarettes.
in fact. this topic has got me thinkin about a nice joint and a nice set...
...not that the whole country is pot heads haha:P
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Posted - 2008/05/09 : 07:20:04
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Originally posted by Leto:
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
If I remember my Biology I'm pretty sure their's no such thing as male and female plants. They all reproduce asexually and pollenate themselves.
Plants aren't asexual, they don't really have a gender necessarily, but they can't pollinate themselves. That's what insects are for. :D Or seeds in fruit. Spreadin' that pollen.
Btw, cannabis does indeed have genders, that's why you can crossbreed them and make different strains.
Like that purple...:P
Can't comment on cannabis specifically, but plants DO reproduce asexually. They have both male and female sex "organs" if you want to call it that. Yes, they do need insects (bees usually with their furry bodies) to carry the pollen from one plat to another, I think you are right in that they can't pollenate themselves (ie their own pollen impregnates themselves).
Taking a stab in the dark as regards the cannabis cross-breeding, different strains of cannabis class as different breeds almost - just as you can't pollenate a rose with daisy pollen, you probably can't pollenate one strain of cannabis with another. Probably a better example would be red roses and yellow roses - they don't cross-breed. Hmmm, I wonder if that were possible if we'd get orange roses?
I'm not a biologist though, and I'm simply remembering back to my GCSE biology lessons. Perhaps somebody knows better though that can clear this argument up.
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Posted - 2008/05/10 : 19:47:32
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if they send the signal out that it is a safe drug then it is going to invite lots more people into trying it, which imo is a bad thing.
Something being safe and something being legal are 2 different things altogether though. Plenty of drugs that are legal aren't safe yet freely available. Even plenty of the chemicals and preservatives in food are dangerous or have a complete lack of research done on their effects over extended periods of time.
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Jax
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Posted - 2008/05/10 : 20:13:38
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by Jax:
if they send the signal out that it is a safe drug then it is going to invite lots more people into trying it, which imo is a bad thing.
Something being safe and something being legal are 2 different things altogether though. Plenty of drugs that are legal aren't safe yet freely available. Even plenty of the chemicals and preservatives in food are dangerous or have a complete lack of research done on their effects over extended periods of time.
i agree completly
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/05/10 : 21:58:26
I know people who used to smoke it but they have cut down alot & you can see the benifits of giving up, I only smoked it a few times but its not for me! Two years ago I knew alot of people getting into all the party drugs but most people have got out of it now! I myself tend to have a few drinks at the weekend now & havn't done any pills in almost a year! Weed is a harmless drug in some ways but the long term mental health effects are somthing you have to watch out for...
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Chris B
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Posted - 2008/05/10 : 22:02:24
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Originally posted by Meathead:
i'm not directing this at anyone on here in perticular, just the public in general, but it does puzzle me how anyone can comment on how harmful cannabis is (not including skunk, that shit is awful) when they're sat with a pint in their hand. i've never seen anyone smoke cannabis, then have the same sort of reactions they get from drinking alcohol. the aggression, the anti-social behavior or the complete loss of self-control and neither me nor anyone else i know have developed schizophrenia from cannabis use. so the government reclassifying cannabis, to me, is utter bollocks.
Have to say thats pretty spot on, alcohol ruins so many lifes in this country and loadsa people go completely out of character when they get a few drinks down them.
Also gotta agree with you on skunk point, the stuffs nasty as soon as I smoke it I feel really fuzzy all day and cant do anything. Much prefer the commercial weed as can still get on with day and jus doesnt cloud up the brain the same.
Gonna be negative effects to any drug if do it all the time but i personally dont think upping the class of weed is a good thing.
Smoking ban, mushroom ban, not allowed to drink on tubes and buses, reclassification of marijuana can personally see a lot more rules and regulations put on people no matter who wins elections.
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