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Leto
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 Posted - 2008/06/03 : 06:09:27
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This is just depressing. 
No one really did anything illegal (maybe some drugs and all, but that's the druggie's fault, not the rave's) and cops had to come and be complete asses about the whole thing. Tasers? What???
These are a result of laws in our country that allow police officers to "get carried away" and encroach on our rights as citizens. They aren't fixed pieces of American society or law. Get out there and start changing it. :)
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 06:55:30
yup, it's reasons like this for people to know their rights as citizens. if something like this ever happens to you just be polite to the officers. if you are the person throwing the party make sure you have proper permits in order to throw the party.
all the cops need is probable cause in order for them to stop at a party. a lot of times they will say you're violating a noise ordinance and will ask to turn down the music.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 12:34:43
I'm not sure about you guys, but it if I was entering a large party full of people doing drugs in a big dark space, I wouldn't go in a lone and I wouldn't go with a nightstick. Is it a little overboard? Yea... but drugs *are* illegal, so it's not like there's no justification for what they did.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 15:28:43
Gonna go out on a limb here, obviously police have a very dangerous job and I value their services but US cops seem to have too much power, it's like they want to beat everyone down for whatever reason. I've never seen this in any other country, in Australia for example you can casually talk to a police officer, in America it's like they want a reason to shoot you.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 16:02:40
yea cops in the US go on power trips and do anything to entertain them sick selves.
If you don't give them a friendly nod or wave they will pull you over or confront you for suspicious activity.
Hell, I was just riding my friend's moped for a little bit and for no reason a cop pulls me over threatening to charge me with no license, expired plate, and no helmet.
Given 'intimidating' uniforms, heavy artillery, and tearing up our constitution by trying to outlaw guns, over controlling protests, and given rights to spy on us.
Almost as if they want us to go into marshal law =
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 16:28:57
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Originally posted by silver:
Gonna go out on a limb here, obviously police have a very dangerous job and I value their services but US cops seem to have too much power, it's like they want to beat everyone down for whatever reason. I've never seen this in any other country, in Australia for example you can casually talk to a police officer, in America it's like they want a reason to shoot you.
Rodney king speaks for itself lol
I think in all aspects of the law America is insanely strict i mean theres crimes in England that would get you a slap on the wrists and community service but in america you can do many years in jail.
Also is it true that if your 15 years old you can get sentanced as an adult? But you cant drink till your 21?
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 16:50:04
^^Depends on the state. But yeah, certain crimes you can be tried as an adult, especially in California.
US has the first or second highest incarceration rate per capita in the world.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 18:35:30
yea its illegal to drink in the US up till 21, tobacco is legal at 18, aand everything else is illegal.
America seems to be a little immature and possibly over protective compare to the rest of the world when it comes to intoxicating substances.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 22:18:10
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Originally posted by DJ Acidix:
yea cops in the US go on power trips and do anything to entertain them sick selves.
is this a joke? these people put their lives on the line so that we can live in peace. that's a completely ridiculous over generalization and is entirely ignorant.
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Originally posted by DJ Acidix:If you don't give them a friendly nod or wave they will pull you over or confront you for suspicious activity.
That's absolutely ridiculous as well, and horribly false.
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Hell, I was just riding my friend's moped for a little bit and for no reason a cop pulls me over threatening to charge me with no license, expired plate, and no helmet.
maybe you should look into moped laws? not wearing a helmet on a moped is ILLEGAL. as is driving one without a license... though maybe you've got one of those?
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Given 'intimidating' uniforms, heavy artillery, and tearing up our constitution by trying to outlaw guns, over controlling protests, and given rights to spy on us.
Of course they have uniforms... that's a given? Not sure what you mean by heavy artillery. Police officers don't outlaw guns, lawmakers do. Your wiretapping allusion is also a bit off. You're obviously very mistaken and are targeting local police officers for a number of things they have no control over. If you want to "hate the man," go ahead, but taking it out on police officers is ignorant.
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Almost as if they want us to go into marshal law =
Cops are given semi-auto carbines: http://www.infowars.com/?p=2495 height=1 noshade id=quote>
Because when an officer comes upon a bank robber with an AK47 and he's brandishing a nice little semi auto, he's not got a chance.
this whole "lets all hate america so that european people love us" thing is getting old.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 22:46:33
Yeah, drugs are illegal. BUT you will find more drugs at Bonnaroo than at any given rave EVER, but it's embraced by the authorities as a tourist attraction.
Explain that one to me.
There is no justification whatsoever for the government to use force on ravers. It is the negative stigma attached to the MUSIC that has resulted in these strict, mislead laws, not the gathering of people, and I think that is oppressive and wrong. There WILL be drugs where there is music, REGARDLESS of the genre. Even Christian music. It's just a given. Targeting one niche group of music fans is unfair.
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 23:29:15
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Originally posted by DJ Acidix:
yea cops in the US go on power trips and do anything to entertain them sick selves.
is this a joke? these people put their lives on the line so that we can live in peace. that's a completely ridiculous over generalization and is entirely ignorant.
not going to requote all of that but you pretty much hit everything I wanted to say something on =P
sure there are going to be some power hungry cops out there but most of the cops are doing their job. they don't know what they are going into everytime they respond to a call or make a traffic stop.
if you're going to give the officer a negative attitude then they will give you one right back...along with a ticket =P
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Posted - 2008/06/03 : 23:36:54
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Originally posted by Brian K:
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Originally posted by Meph751:
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Originally posted by DJ Acidix:
yea cops in the US go on power trips and do anything to entertain them sick selves.
is this a joke? these people put their lives on the line so that we can live in peace. that's a completely ridiculous over generalization and is entirely ignorant.
not going to requote all of that but you pretty much hit everything I wanted to say something on =P
sure there are going to be some power hungry cops out there but most of the cops are doing their job. they don't know what they are going into everytime they respond to a call or make a traffic stop.
i really just dont think people understand the gravity of that sort of situation. a person you pull over for speeding could be ANYONE at all. for all you know they could have an assault rifle in their passenger seat. it's incredible what these people do every day for a very modest salary. i'm not going to lie and say i don't like police officers sometimes, my friends and i have been singled out for being teenagers more than once... but in all honesty, it's totally fair. teen boys are definitely the craziest when it comes to driving, and so while it's annoying and angers me on a certain level... i understand why they're doing it.
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 01:09:05
Fair points are being made, however Meph I must remind you that police brutality is very real.
It's made easier by the advent of increased funding for SWAT teams that are primarily used in drug busts against small time drug dealers in predominately low-income (usually minority) urban areas. Originally they were a special unit for targeting special terrorist attacks, but that was a very, very small portion of the police forces in the 1970's.
After the 1980's, SWAT teams are literally commonplace and are used for patrolling many areas.
Anyway, the whole concept of policing has changed in the last 30 years in the US. Quality of Life policing.
I'm not talking about specific police officers at all. It's the notion of policing in the abstract that has become troubling with respect to certain groups of American society.
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 02:31:09
I definitely agree that it exists, but it's in no way the norm. Due to the nature of news reporting, you'll hear 50 news reports when there's a case of brutality when making an arrest, but you'll likely not hear a single report for every 50 "regular" arrests that are made.
There's police officers in NYC with submachine guns. Is it intimidating? Hell yes - but take a look at the sort of illegal weapons criminals can buy and you'll surely understand why it's justified.
Not directed at Leto, but to clarify... I'm not saying "omg guys ravers are criminals lets beat them up", simply stating that there's two sides to every story, and if the police felt they had a legit reason to break that party up (I honestly can't say, as I don't know nearly enough... and just because you read one side of the story online doesn't mean you do either!), going into a completely unknown, dark venue full of adolescents who are high on any number of drugs would be unbelievably foolish.
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Posted - 2008/06/04 : 16:59:57
dont feel like quoting, buut nah I don't blame the local police for everything, but you see them enforcing something you feel that is unjust, you probably are going to dislike the police at least a little.
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