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redwingz
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 Posted - 2008/06/10 : 23:14:14
OK so after learning a bit of musical theory on chords etc and learning how to use delay and reverb etc i really feel like my production is getting better and definitely moving away from my 'mario' sound.
Ive been putting my new skills into action and have posted a 1 minute 30 seconds clip of my track 'Beam of Sun' on my myspace.
As i say its only 1 and a half mins long of a clip so i would really appreciate if you guys would listen and tell me what you think or how to improve it.
I really feel its by FAR my best track so far, but there is always room to improve.
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Posted - 2008/06/10 : 23:43:03
The lead and piano are off key to each other, doesn't sound right. I think you could do alot more with that lead too.
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Posted - 2008/06/10 : 23:50:39
still sounds to basic =X try to add some background noise that fills up the tune
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Posted - 2008/06/10 : 23:57:00
sounds way basic - do something with that kick at the ends of bars when you're bringing in a new sound! Sounds like a decent start but much too structurally bland.
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 07:28:05
I would say you have definetely improve. the melody its interesting, its not random notes as in other songs, there are some out of key, but that can be easyly fixed.
maybe add some pad at the begining as a company of the piano.
when you drop the synth for the first time, try removing the kick, that gives more enfasis to the lead, and after you can add the bass and the kick which is when the track must have more energy
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 07:29:51
and remember the off-beat bass, thats the keystone of hardcore.... errmm practically the keystone of all electronic music
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 12:25:23
Thankx for everyones reply so far:
Mortis - I agree, the piano and synth dont really go, im trying to find ways to match them up a bit better
Bugbear/meph - I also agree that it is too basic, ill be looking to add more percussion to beef it up.
Manuelf - By out of key does this mean like a piano note is played at C but should be D or whatever? I really want to add a pad but im crap with them, any tips? And yeah, i dropped the ball with the off beat bass, that will be going in staright away.
Thankx so far for the feedabck everyone, more is always welcome and ill be posting an updated clip soon as well.
remember im only starting out so all feedback is welcome
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 19:11:28
Yes it's better but there are a whole lot of new things that need to be sorted, most of which have already been pointed out.
imo, and you may not like this, it reminds me of early CorDharel tracks.... too many notes that, some would say, (including me) sound random.
ie; no real idea of melody or structure, just pot-luck note hitting.
Add to that the fact that they're in the wrong musical key to fit with the other sounds is.... not good.
If you can hear the discordant clashing of notes then you should indeed be able to sort it.
If you can't then.... I dunno mate. 
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 19:29:34
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
Yes it's better but there are a whole lot of new things that need to be sorted, most of which have already been pointed out.
imo, and you may not like this, it reminds me of early CorDharel tracks.... too many notes that, some would say, (including me) sound random.
ie; no real idea of melody or structure, just pot-luck note hitting.
Add to that the fact that they're in the wrong musical key to fit with the other sounds is.... not good.
If you can hear the discordant clashing of notes then you should indeed be able to sort it.
If you can't then.... I dunno mate.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol.
ok, well if im going the same way as CorDharel then i will be happy cause he has progressed really well i think.
ok now, 'the wrong musical key' can i just clarify what a key is? is it like c or d# etc? what is it that is off key? btw the bass is 3x osc as is the harsh synth lead, the other is a piano. are they all out of key with eachother?
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 20:37:23
The musical 'key' doesn't mean the black or white thing that you press to make a sound on a keyboard, even though it is a key....
Try typing music key into Google.
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 20:52:49
it's not so much that they're out of key Redwings it just sounds like your trying to put too many different meodies together mate. If you like a melody & choose to stick with it, don't just leave it at that and move onto another melody, keep layering the same melody with various synth's, on different notes & try and alter thier frequencies mate. If you have made a melody then try & play pads or strings on similar notes & try & get a feeling for what goes together. Keep at it mate, you'll have a better understanding once you can structure various melodies. If you need any help while your working on a track, just let me know & i'll explain things further on MSN mate:-)
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 21:07:44
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Originally posted by narcotik:
it just sounds like your trying to put too many different meodies together mate.
this happens to me alot too, i come up with many melodies for a single track, so at the end its a whole mess and disorder :(
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 21:12:13
ok well ive took on board what everyone has said (or tried too lol) and ive posted the completed full track on my myspace page.
Ive tried beefing it up, ive added the off kick bass, ive tried getting it in key, although i still dont know what key is :s but ive tried making it sound better anyway. Ive added some more fx and stuff to make it more interesting in parts.
I still dont think the piano and synth really go, but i am really struggling to make the piano more harsh to match the synth.
also im not too sure the bass is in tune with the harsh synth. basically though im all out of ideas with this track now so i would appreciate if you could listen to the finished product and tell me if its better/worse than the previous clip etc
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 21:24:21
 ....it's out of tune with itself. The first reply from Mortis is correct.
You can't just knock-up a riff with some notes and hope that they fit with the notes of something else like the Piano or Bass.
Type music key into Google, like I said, and read and learn.
I don't wish to sound harsh mate but you need some basic understanding of music to progress 'cos
the 'suck it and see' method will take an awfully long time if you can't already hear what's wrong. 
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 21:58:01
Every song is always written in a specific KEY, which determines all the other notes you can play. For example if you are writing a song in C Major KEY, you should use the notes of the C major scale, which are: C D E F G A B C
If you play any other note that is not in the scale (example: bE, #G), it is going to sound dissonant.
Also, there can be dissonances within the scale.
For example if you are playing a C major Chord in the piano, you should try making a melody with C, E and G notes, because they three make the C major Chord, so its going to sound harmonious.
But if you add to that chord, a B note, or a D (even if they are in the scale), the chord is going to sound dissonant.
Each basic chord is made with three notes. The first, the second, and the third ;P
The first in the main note of the chord, skip one note of the scale, and thats the second, skip another, and thats the third note.
So if you want the chord for D, the notes of the chord would be: D+F+A
For G chord: G B D
For A chord: A C E
Usually in hardcore you have a one chord for each bar, and cycles of 4 bars. This means you can have 4 chords, so you can make combinations of chords, try something common like:
C - A - F - G, and play a melody over that with the notes of each chord. After that you can start adding notes that dont belong to the chords, that makes it more interesting, just make sure the notes you add dont rule over the notes of the chord, they are supossed to be transition notes, like decorative notes.
I hope this helps you a little :)
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Posted - 2008/06/11 : 22:05:24
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
the 'suck it and method' will take an awfully long time if you can't already hear what's wrong.
or you can just start making schranz LOL
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