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SPOOX
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 Posted - 2008/07/02 : 18:10:10
Probably gonna make myself look stupid but i've been trying to save up for some CD mixers for a while & remembered that you can mix MP3 files by just using my 1210s. What exactly would i need to purchase, How easy is it to use & what sort of price am i looking at?
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 18:23:55
Serato.
http://www.scratchlive.net/
http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mp3players/rane/serato_scratch_live
will getting it myself at some point too, can't wait. Just the saving up that's the hard bit lol.
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 18:28:39
Thanks Meathead will check it out now :)
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 19:58:27
Or use the cheaper alternative (found at DOA, not my own writing or idea):
Heres a way to build your own TCV (timecode vinyl) setup, the same as serato, final scratch, reflex, torq, ms pinky etc, but for bout 150 euro, obviously excluding the price of a half decent laptop.
What you need before hand:
Laptop
regular turntables/CD decks
Regular mixer
Now, serato (as an example) is made up of 3 parts. the Timecode vinyl (TCV), the serato box thing, and software. You could buy them all in a nice little package for around 600 euro, or...
You can order 2 serato control vinyls off ebay for about 40 euro including delivery
You can use a program like virtual DJ (http://www.virtualdj.com) as your software
Its supports TCV, including serato, its years old and rock solid, just in the setup select "external mixer" and you will basically have 2 decks and your music library on the screen, same as the serato software.
Lastly is the serato box. While most people think its a specialised peice of equipment that makes it all work, its not really, its just a soundcard. Bit different from a regular soundcard, found in a pc or laptop though. they usually have 2 input channels (line in) and 2 output (speakers). You will need a soundcard with 4 inputs (for the feed from the decks) and 4 outputs (to connect to the line-in of the mixer on chan. 1 and 2) You'll also need ASIO support in the soundcard, which can let you bring down the latency to as low as 2 or 3ms. The most popular soundcard for this is the Maya 44, which can be gotten for under 100 euro online.
http://www.thomann.de/ie/esi_maya_44_usb.htm
Last thing you need are 4 x Phono Y-Splitters, and 2 RCA cables, which can be got in any local audio/tv shop.
How to setup:
Connect the Maya44 usb to your laptop.
Run Virtual DJ, select "External mixer"
Enable TCV and select serato as the type.
In the setup, map the input of deck A to the first and second input lines of the MAYA 44 (stereo)
Map the outputs of deck A to Output lines 1 and 2 (stereo)
Map the outputs of deck B to Output lines 3 and 4 (stereo)
To wire it up:
Connect the y splitters the the phono cables coming from the decks, so now you have 2 stereo output connectors for each deck.
Take Deck 1 and connect one set of the cables to the phono in of your mixer (channel 1)
Take the other set of cables from deck 1 and connect them to inputs 1 and 2 or the maya 44
Take Deck 2 and connect one set of the cables to the phono in of your mixer (channel 2)
Take the other set of cables from deck 1 and connect them to inputs 3 and 4 or the maya 44
Last thing is then to connect the rca cables to link the output from the soundcard to your Line-in's on your mixer. Connect output 1 and 2 of the maya to channel 1 line in of your mixer, and output 3 and 4 of the maya to channel 2 line in of your mixer.
Start spinnin!
To use regular vinyl, switch to phono in on the mixer, to use tcv, switch to cd/line in, same as you would with serato etc...
By the way, this is a CHEAP way of doing it, not a POOR QUALITY way. You're using serato vinyl, virtual DJ which is a pretty established product and receives regular updates; Carl Cox uses it, and a Maya soundcard, which is a top quality make of studio quality sound cards, so theres nothing cheap about it, except the price.
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 20:52:41
Thank you for the info :)
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 21:22:46
Yeah cheers pope, might have to look into that myself.
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DJ_Axiom
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 22:15:57
You can just burn CD's, which is what I do lol. I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
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Jax
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 22:30:28
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Originally posted by DJ_Axiom:
You can just burn CD's, which is what I do lol. I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
Code - I can't mix on vinyl? 
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DJ_Axiom
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 22:38:11
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Originally posted by Jax:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Axiom:
You can just burn CD's, which is what I do lol. I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
Code - I can't mix on vinyl?
Not what I was getting at XD
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Jax
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 22:54:56
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Originally posted by DJ_Axiom:
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Originally posted by Jax:
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Axiom:
You can just burn CD's, which is what I do lol. I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
Code - I can't mix on vinyl?
Not what I was getting at XD
lol sorry im in a take the piss mood tonight. did you know that you can mix without using the screen to see the beats? all you need to do it cue up a song with the pc (or the end of the timecode vinyl lets you so im told) and you do the rest as if it was a propper vinyl.
i love mixing on vinyl and not having to burn and label cds (plus the cost factor) is a big plus so serato is awsome for me
edited so my post makes sense.. :)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/07/02 : 23:04:55
I've been using Traktor without using the screen for beat matching. Love it! Especially the loop feature which I'm trying to get into - awesome feature! One day I may get the time-coded vinyl to try it out (I already have the Audio 8 DJ Soundcard which is the hub of NI Scratch). The ease of mp3s is so much more awesome than burning it to a CD, like Jax says, which I used to do.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2008/07/03 : 09:52:21
quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Axiom:
You can just burn CD's, which is what I do lol. I had serato and I didnt use it all...mainly because I didnt need to look at a screen to beatmatch and it kind of took away the feel of mixing.
I don't either. I want to get it just so i can have a go at doing a mix like Kutski's 21 Minutes To Know, which would be pretty much impossible without something like Serato. But whenever i do a normal mix i wouldn't look at the screen to beat-match.
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