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TypeR
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 Posted - 2008/10/20 : 06:02:29
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Originally posted by Vitalism:
it's all relative to when ya started, isn't it?
no, there is a respective timeline to how hardcore has progressed, and as such the old stuff would be called old school. kinda makes sense to me.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 02:39:08
i dunno. i just think it's hard to draw a line where the one ends the other begins. when does upfront hardcore become old school?
i think that it's kind of a hard thing to define exactly .
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 08:37:05
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What time do you think you can say to yourself that a track is oldskool? 1989? 96? 04? or last year ? you decide
in 1988 acid house senie start then oldskool was born
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 10:54:44
Depends if you're talking about Oldskool Hardcore or if you're just talking about a track being "oldskool maaan".
Really... If you're talking oldskool and rave in the same breath you should be referring to early 90's Hardcore (Altern8, Red Alert and Mike Slammer, Ratpack, etc.). That shouldn't really change because you weren't listening to Hardcore then or because we've moved on a few years.
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FingazMc
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 11:33:45
Personally for me i class from around 90 - 93 as old skool.
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 13:11:11
Purely subjective. Bearing in mind there was no one single style back then either and a lot of division. Ratpack and the breakbeat stuff went down like leads balloons in Scotland and NE England, (Ratpack still does to this day), where they are instead more liable to say things like The Time Frequency and Ultra-Sonic are their old skool.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 14:25:12
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Originally posted by ferocious:
Purely subjective. Bearing in mind there was no one single style back then either and a lot of division. Ratpack and the breakbeat stuff went down like leads balloons in Scotland and NE England, (Ratpack still does to this day), where they are instead more liable to say things like The Time Frequency and Ultra-Sonic are their old skool.
I would disagree. What you say makes total sense but there is more to it than that. It's not just that the music is old school. The old breakbeat hardcore stuff from the early 90's has pretty much had the term "Oldskool" tagged onto it as a genre name. That's why you get countless cd's of early Breakbeat Hardcore anthems with "Oldskool" on them. Do a search on google for oldskool.
I agree that obviously anything that's a generation old is technically Old school music but when people refer to Oldskool as a musical genre they are talking about early Breabeat Hardcore.
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 14:50:42
every year every day and every second, new stuff is classed as old skool. we probably class 2000 stuff as old skool... bonkers 7? old skooool! despite sy's track being called 'Welcome to the New School'! Irony!!!!
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 15:44:22
i would say its from 1990 to 1995, that was the glory years for oldskool till happy hardcore took over, and i would say 95 was the time lol
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Torpex
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 16:12:03
A track is oldskool whenever you choose to call it oldskool.
However, oldskool hardcore is a specific genre. It's the relatively slow breakbeat stuff from the early 90s, usually happy and uplifting with lots of piano sounds. It had a step sister (or a subgenre, as some people prefer) called darkside, basically not-that-happy stuff, but still relatively slow and with broken beats. Hardcore breaks / nu-rave produced these days is basically the same and thus you can think of it as "new oldskool".
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Posted - 2008/10/21 : 19:44:50
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Originally posted by Torpex:
However, oldskool hardcore is a specific genre. It's the relatively slow breakbeat stuff from the early 90s, usually happy and uplifting with lots of piano sounds. It had a step sister (or a subgenre, as some people prefer) called darkside, basically not-that-happy stuff, but still relatively slow and with broken beats. Hardcore breaks / nu-rave produced these days is basically the same and thus you can think of it as "new oldskool".
Aka the best genre ive heard ever
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Posted - 2008/10/22 : 12:39:33
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Hardcore breaks / nu-rave produced these days is basically the same and thus you can think of it as "new oldskool".
The term 'New Oldskool' is an Oxymoron hence why its called Nu-Rave/Hardcore Breaks.
The term Old skool is completely dependant on context. It is used a lot within the Harder dance genres to describe the early 90's Hardcore (before Happycore and D&B came along) but mention it on a house or hip hop forum and you'll get a totally different response.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2008/10/23 : 00:03:11
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Originally posted by Fluffbomb:
quote:
Originally posted by Torpex:
Hardcore breaks / nu-rave produced these days is basically the same and thus you can think of it as "new oldskool".
The term 'New Oldskool' is an Oxymoron hence why its called Nu-Rave/Hardcore Breaks.
The term Old skool is completely dependant on context. It is used a lot within the Harder dance genres to describe the early 90's Hardcore (before Happycore and D&B came along) but mention it on a house or hip hop forum and you'll get a totally different response.
so being that with the insightful knowledge bomb you've dropped we could assume now that the original poster was speaking of oldskool hardcore, on a hardcore message forum, after two pages of fierce debate right?
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Posted - 2008/10/23 : 00:13:02
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
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Originally posted by ferocious:
Purely subjective. Bearing in mind there was no one single style back then either and a lot of division. Ratpack and the breakbeat stuff went down like leads balloons in Scotland and NE England, (Ratpack still does to this day), where they are instead more liable to say things like The Time Frequency and Ultra-Sonic are their old skool.
I would disagree. What you say makes total sense but there is more to it than that. It's not just that the music is old school. The old breakbeat hardcore stuff from the early 90's has pretty much had the term "Oldskool" tagged onto it as a genre name. That's why you get countless cd's of early Breakbeat Hardcore anthems with "Oldskool" on them. Do a search on google for oldskool.
I agree that obviously anything that's a generation old is technically Old school music but when people refer to Oldskool as a musical genre they are talking about early Breabeat Hardcore.
I agree with The Bullbus on this one.
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