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djbuzz1021
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 Posted - 2008/11/16 : 15:59:33
Ok acid play your little game, u never heard of IP HIDE?? Very easy and free program to use. It was you and your little pal.
Mabey i was wrong about the whole Rule issue but im not wrong in saying acid was the best dj... Funny how when his wee site got deleted off my server my paswords started to get changed. things in the ftp were getting deleted. and he was the only one with the password appart from me... Then to top it off, there was about 30 posts on here about my site being a virus.
Hmmm. wonder who that was??
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Posted - 2008/11/16 : 17:27:56
[email protected] = the best dj
the best dj = [email protected]
neither are me.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/11/16 : 18:31:05
Guys, please don't hijack this thread.
If you want to moan to each other then please keep it to PM, email or IM. If you have a genuine complaint against another member then please inform one of the moderators or admin.
Thanks.
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jenks
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Posted - 2008/11/16 : 20:25:13
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...our last two Prime Ministers have been Scottish for **** sake.
Errrrm, if you define anything North of Manchester as being Scotland then that is true, but last I heard Sedgefield (Tony Blair's constituency) was in England.
It is true though that Scotland is not under English rule - Scotland has its own parliament, with Alex Salmond being the first minister (essentially Prime Minister). Scotland rules itself and has its own regulations in place. It is effectively independent already
He was born in Edinburgh mate ;)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2008/11/16 : 20:39:05
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Originally posted by jenks:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
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Originally posted by jenks:
...our last two Prime Ministers have been Scottish for **** sake.
Errrrm, if you define anything North of Manchester as being Scotland then that is true, but last I heard Sedgefield (Tony Blair's constituency) was in England.
He was born in Edinburgh mate ;)
Ah indeed. In fact he spent the first 19 months of his life in Edinburgh, before moving to Australia and then to Durham. Strictly speaking he is half English / half Irish, but the Irish side descended from the Scots and his Father was adopted by a Glaswegian (but was the illegitimate son of 2 English actors).
Didn't actually realise any of that until just now..... I don't think he holds his Scottish links that close based on where his loyalties seem to have been during his term in office.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2008/11/17 : 11:47:26
I only found out this year the Ireland used to be part of the UK! I thought we toke over Northen Ireland after the troubles, but it turns out that is all that we have left of Ireland!
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Watson.
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Posted - 2008/11/17 : 22:10:46
The answer n short is, no, not yet. The SNP government have planned for a referendum in 2010, although this bill will need to be put before the Scottish parliament, with a strong liklihood it will be binned. Even so, I reckon there is a good chance the SNP will shit out if the polls indicate that most Scots are against independence at the time.
I'm in favour of the union myself. I don't buy the nationlist arguement that we could be very rich with the oil revenues, and I don't buy the arguement that we wouldn't survive without the union. I don't see a need for an independent Scotland, and although i will say I'm scottish if asked, I'm perfectly comfortable with being British too.
Scotland has done well out of the union. Before we entered into it, mismanagement by the Scottish Government of the time nearly bankrupted us. We entered into the union voluntarily and done very well out of it. Independence is a flawed concept for me, the main arguement I hear for it is the oil. That's all good and well, but oil is a finite resource, and it would be suicide to base a case for independence purely upon this. What will replace the revenues when the oil runs out? oddly enough silence seems to fall upon the nationalists I've debated this with.
If I thought Scotland would benefit from independence, I would vote for it. I don't see how it would, and to put it into perspective, the UK government recently bailed out HBOS and RBS to the tune of £30B. That is more than the entire budget for the Scottish parliament. Needless to say, an independent Scotland could not have bailed the banks out, which could have resulted in a collapse of the banking sector.
I also have a huge dislike of Alex Salmond. He's a fantasist, out of touch with reality and spouts pish to suit his narrow minded agenda. Always picking pointless fights with Westminster to try and play Scotland as victims of some hidden agenda. Gutter politics. I'd never tire of punching his fat face either.
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2008/11/18 : 09:48:40
^^^ Great reply! Good to hear someone who sees some sense lol Your right about the Oil, what happens when it runs out? That question should be asked to any country & Oil Barron relly as Oil won't be here forever & some counrties seem to depend on it so much!
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Stevie c
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Posted - 2008/11/18 : 10:28:38
I was and always will be in favor of devolution and more areas of the UK could do with it, regions work well in Europe, blocks not so good these days. I lived in Wales but did not vote for devolution as 1) I was English ( well quarter welsh ) and not sure I would be living there for the rest of my life, as that has proved. I didn't think it went far enough and I knew the area I was living in would vote yes anyway.
More Scots speak out in favor of the Union than the English some times. I agree with Underloop, Alex Salmond does get more arrogant, but after he retired, they dragged him back as he was the best they had. I am not in favor of separation as economically it could be damaging for both countries and if Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland went independent they would be small partners next to a very large neighbor ( on population alone ). The money would be given by Europe who in turn would take it for England. So if its about who they would get their money off that is no reason in itself only Pride. The Scottish banks are up the creek and many must think they are lucky that a separation hasn't been voted for yet.
Should it be put to the public, I would be very surprised if the SNP could get a yes. Both Wales and Scotland are in essence slightly more European in their cities than England, but then unless something comes from the USA, England as an Island is very insular at times.
I am in favor of Ireland being independent as I believe an Island is an Island. The North could choose to remain part of the commonwealth, however its history has been dominated by Brit Rule ( English and Scots ). Again however like Wales, given I believe in Ireland as a whole, I am not Irish, so take the view its not actually anything to do with me and not my decision to make.
I believe in separate football teams but believe in the United Ireland rugby team. I support my neighbors and think we have more in common than the Scots do with the Nordics, the English do with the French or Ireland with Iceland. That's probably my Welsh attitude. We all annoy each other but we do actually understand each other.
The only advantage I see from total separation is a slightly better chance in Eurovision and that is not a real argument in favor is it. We have had Welsh, Scot and English Prime Ministers. Our Royal Family was Scottish before it was German and the ACT of Union was not unlike the bloody past an Act of Surrender. It was a Union.
I would like to believe Alex Salmond would be a grown up partner in Europe but as Underloop has clocked I don't think he would be and that in itself could damage Scotland.
As many Scots live outside Scotland as they do in it. In many ways Economically I think Scotland and Wales benefit from the UK, and England gains from Celtic Culutre and Social attitudes. I think complete separation would be a poorer place gaining little if anything. However, I do think more regional powers helps people feel more involved in decisions made concerning them.
A bit like the European Parliament and Monarchy, I am not entirely convinced they are perfect. However can only see us replacing them with pretty much the same or inferior alternatives.
What England could really use is proper electoral reform with a decent system of PR.
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Watson.
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Posted - 2008/11/18 : 12:14:07
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
^^^ Great reply! Good to hear someone who sees some sense lol Your right about the Oil, what happens when it runs out? That question should be asked to any country & Oil Barron relly as Oil won't be here forever & some counrties seem to depend on it so much!
Oddly enough, the nationalists seem to go very quiet when you ask them that question. I remember Salmond was always banging on about some kind of oil investment fund which Norway do. The Norwegian Government laughed at us when he heard it saying Scotland would be unable to meet it's means with the fund. The SNP make me deeply uneasy, they have absolutely no idea what they'll do if they do win independence. That alone should be enough for most people to avoid the concept.
Stevie C raises a few good points about devolution. With Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland all having a devolved parliament, I think it's only logical England should have one too. In saying that, I'm quiet apathetic towards the Scottish Parliament. I just see it as yet another layer of local government. The amount of government we have in our lives is insane, we've Europe, Westminster, Holyrood and the local councils. There really is no need for all that.
Interestingly enough, Alex Salmond is a big advocate of the so-called "European state". He'd quite happily see a united Europe, o the question must be asked - why remove Scotland from the United Kindgom, but enter it into an even bigger union? Scotland has a far bigger say in the running of the UK than it would ever have in Europe. It's probably just more of Salmond's ego driven nonsense that he could be some sort of major player in the EU.
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Posted - 2008/11/21 : 08:40:44
I agree with your point about an extra layer, I thought when devolution was voted for it would make sense to join the local authorities with County Councils all with a voice in a devolved assembly, perhaps slightly naive. I assumed that would centralize a region and give it a stronger voice however still be able to concentrate on local issues.
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