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raindancerob
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 Posted - 2008/12/05 : 22:05:37
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Originally posted by Jackol:
Bootlegs are also a good way to push new tracks without having people automatically associate a style with the artist.
For instance, many people hate Darren Styles' music, but if he were to do a track as Anon, no one would know and they might be more open to the track.
It breaks up fanboyism and artist boycotts, allowing the listener to rate the track mostly based upon quality.
alot like what Luna C has been doing for years, releasing tunes under various different aliases.
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raindancerob
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Posted - 2008/12/05 : 22:07:11
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Originally posted by club.kinetic.sales:
some of the artists are known & some aint heres a list of all of the releases & artists (if known): http://www.discogs.com/label/Ballistic+Bootlegs
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rene13cross
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Posted - 2008/12/05 : 22:32:56
oh ya, i was wondering, if bootlegs are "illegal remixes" or whatever, is it illegal for the labels to distribute them or whats up with that??
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matduke
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Posted - 2008/12/05 : 23:09:46
it depends, they are only illegal if they don't pay the rights for the used samples. most of the labels license the samples and if they don't, well often the track will go unnoticed from those who would sue, especially if it's a remix of something old. if a bootleg was to sell in a huge amount of copies then it would probably be noticed and the rights would have to be paid. illegal bootlegs were more common a few years ago really.
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ravekutz
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 11:20:44
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Originally posted by Jackol:
Bootlegs are also a good way to push new tracks without having people automatically associate a style with the artist.
For instance, many people hate Darren Styles' music, but if he were to do a track as Anon, no one would know and they might be more open to the track.
It breaks up fanboyism and artist boycotts, allowing the listener to rate the track mostly based upon quality.
Dude I don't know where you got that from. It's got nothing to do with boycotting an artist lol. Producers simply go under a different name if they don't want to be known for a tune.
It's totally to do with illegal riffs and samples not copyrighted. You can get taken to the cleaners if your caught ripping off other artists material illegally. Sy and Unknown have been doing it for years. They had a label out called Cheddar in the 90's which had no song titles or producer names. All the tunes were ripp offs but remixed very well.. And all it said on the Vinyl was Cheddar. So it's very hard to ever track them down.
Ripped to **** is probably their new label for illegal remixes. There have been quite a few of these ripp off labels over the years like VG tips, Knickers etc...
Also I don't think everyone hates Darren Styles, it's more of a case of tall poppy syndrome. Where people like to cut down others that are doing well. Styles has been producing hardcore for over 12 years so he deserves some respect don't you think? Yes a lot of his work is commercial sounding. But at the the end of the day he's stayed loyal to hardcore. And not sold out to hard dance or trance etc.... And he still pumps out some darker tunes every now and then.
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djbuzz1021
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 11:28:24
Told you that is all about illegal use of samples n that, the thing that pisses me off is, i i was to remix say a sy or unknown tune and bring it out, how long do u think it would take for them to want money?
tbh the don't want us to share there tunes or make illegal remixes of there tunes, but is that not what they are doing? I know R2F and ballistic make a good bit of cash from vinyl sales and mp3 sales, so should they now pay royalties to the artists??
its a funny world..
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Samination
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 12:31:16
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Originally posted by ravekutz:
quote:
Originally posted by Jackol:
Bootlegs are also a good way to push new tracks without having people automatically associate a style with the artist.
For instance, many people hate Darren Styles' music, but if he were to do a track as Anon, no one would know and they might be more open to the track.
It breaks up fanboyism and artist boycotts, allowing the listener to rate the track mostly based upon quality.
Dude I don't know where you got that from. It's got nothing to do with boycotting an artist lol. Producers simply go under a different name if they don't want to be known for a tune.
It's totally to do with illegal riffs and samples not copyrighted. You can get taken to the cleaners if your caught ripping off other artists material illegally. Sy and Unknown have been doing it for years. They had a label out called Cheddar in the 90's which had no song titles or producer names. All the tunes were ripp offs but remixed very well.. And all it said on the Vinyl was Cheddar. So it's very hard to ever track them down.
Ripped to **** is probably their new label for illegal remixes. There have been quite a few of these ripp off labels over the years like VG tips, Knickers etc...
Also I don't think everyone hates Darren Styles, it's more of a case of tall poppy syndrome. Where people like to cut down others that are doing well. Styles has been producing hardcore for over 12 years so he deserves some respect don't you think? Yes a lot of his work is commercial sounding. But at the the end of the day he's stayed loyal to hardcore. And not sold out to hard dance or trance etc.... And he still pumps out some darker tunes every now and then.
You do know that the original meaning of Bootleg is recorded liveshows (rock n stuff) right?
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 13:09:12
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oh ya and i think i recall seeing somewhere that rainbows and stars in the latest ballistic bootlegs release is actualy breeze & styles but i'm not sure...
btw, thanks for that info!
oh and the more i listend to youth of a nation on boots011, the more it actualy sounds like weaver, in fact, i'm nearly positive lolzx. but i duno the 1st track...
Rainbow To The Stars was produced by Chaos..
Remake of a Dune- Tune of the same name.
Tune.
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Tha Kid Vicious
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 Posted - 2008/12/08 : 13:21:43
Most of 'em are done by DJ Impact, but not soley... Seeing as it's unofficially a part of tha NEC, it could be any of of those kids; I -believe- K-Complex to "supposedly *wink, wink*" be responsible for a few...
That's just how it goes with "Rip-Off" labels... Remember "Who Done It", & "Question Mark"? Those were Vinylgroover (sometimes w/ Trixxy); "Raver's Choice", & "Juicy Cuts" were both primarily done by DJ Vibes; "JJ" was done in principle by Jimmy J, & Luna-C; I won't say their names, but it's pretty much known who's responsible for tha old "Cheddar" series, & are currently tha owners & driving force behind "Ripped 2 FCUK"; I'm 99% sure that Stu-J & UFO Were tha owners of "DHSS"... But I think that Scott & Chris had a hand in a couple of those releases, as well; "Mashed-Up" was put together by tha old SSU crew (Simon Apex & such)... This list could go on for bloody EVER, so I'm going to quit while I'm ahead... Hope this helps!
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Originally posted by rene13cross:
Hey i jus bought a cupla releases 4m the remix label Ballistic Bootlegs but it doesnt giv da artists who remixed these tracks. Is this intentional or what? not really that relevant i know, but i like to know who i'm lisening to u know?
I already know a cupla artists obviously from discogs an stuff... but i was wonderin about the following releases:
boots011
boots019
Seriously, i dont understand why they do this..? i mean, wouldnt da artists want pple to know that it was them that made those nice remixes?? nothin 2 be ashamed about in my oppinion lol
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raindancerob
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 13:32:25
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Originally posted by Tha Kid Vicious:
Most of 'em are done by DJ Impact, but not soley... Seeing as it's unofficially a part of tha NEC, it could be any of of those kids; I -believe- K-Complex to "supposedly *wink, wink*" be responsible for a few...
That's just how it goes with "Rip-Off" labels... Remember "Who Done It", & "Question Mark"? Those were Vinylgroover (sometimes w/ Trixxy); "Raver's Choice", & "Juicy Cuts" were both primarily done by DJ Vibes; "JJ" was done in principle by Jimmy J, & Luna-C; I won't say their names, but it's pretty much known who's responsible for tha old "Cheddar" series, & are currently tha owners & driving force behind "Ripped 2 FCUK"; I'm 99% sure that Stu-J & UFO Were tha owners of "DHSS"... But I think that Scott & Chris had a hand in a couple of those releases, as well; "Mashed-Up" was put together by tha old SSU crew (Simon Apex & such)... This list could go on for bloody EVER, so I'm going to quit while I'm ahead... Hope this helps!
Cheers! :)
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Originally posted by rene13cross:
Hey i jus bought a cupla releases 4m the remix label Ballistic Bootlegs but it doesnt giv da artists who remixed these tracks. Is this intentional or what? not really that relevant i know, but i like to know who i'm lisening to u know?
I already know a cupla artists obviously from discogs an stuff... but i was wonderin about the following releases:
boots011
boots019
Seriously, i dont understand why they do this..? i mean, wouldnt da artists want pple to know that it was them that made those nice remixes?? nothin 2 be ashamed about in my oppinion lol
yes thats correct & if you have a look at the link that i gave it confirms this. Who Done It? wasnt Vinylgroover or Trixxy (however VGT was), Ravers Choice was DJ Vibes, Question Mark was DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer, JJ was Jimmy J (Luna C had nowt to do with it), Cheddar was Sy & Unknown as was Ripped 2 Fcuk, Juicy Cuts was a few artists mainly DJ Seduction, as was Mashed Up eg DNA & D.H.S.S. was Jon Doe.
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raindancerob
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 13:47:50
links which confirm this:
http://www.discogs.com/label/Jimmy+J+Recordings
http://www.discogs.com/label/Who+Done+It%3F
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Ravers+Choice
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Question+Mark+(2)
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Cheddar
http://www.discogs.com/label/Ripped+2+Fcuk
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Juicy+Cuts
http://www.discogs.com/artist/D.H.S.S.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Mashed+Up+(USA)
http://www.discogs.com/artist/VGT
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 20:54:54
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Originally posted by Jackol:
Bootlegs are also a good way to push new tracks without having people automatically associate a style with the artist.
For instance, many people hate Darren Styles' music, but if he were to do a track as Anon, no one would know and they might be more open to the track.
It breaks up fanboyism and artist boycotts, allowing the listener to rate the track mostly based upon quality.
True, to a point.
But, for the most part, just used to be able to get away with just taking someone elses work and putting it as your own without giving them the money they deserve.
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Posted - 2008/12/08 : 23:52:46
init man its to get out of paying royalties.
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/12/09 : 00:18:11
Darwin has done a lot of the more recent Ballistic Bootlegs releases too.
Boots 011 is by Weaver
and Boots 019 as has been stated was Chaos on one side, and also presumably him on the flip.
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2008/12/09 : 01:33:47
Chaos produced the flip aswell
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