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scottyando
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 Posted - 2009/01/25 : 22:37:21
Does anyone know what vsts or software i can use to cut out the vocals from a track and also cancel the vocals out completely? Im stuck...
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TypeR
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Posted - 2009/01/25 : 22:43:23
they don't make em!
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scottyando
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Posted - 2009/01/25 : 23:01:14
quote:
Originally posted by TypeR:
they don't make em!
hmmm, seems ive found a gap in the market then.
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Posted - 2009/01/25 : 23:01:47
I was looking through Adobe's Soundbooth CS4 once and i think i found something like that... where you can use this one tool to draw around whatever you want to cut out and then delete :|
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/01/25 : 23:14:08
you can try running it through a few of the pre-sets that Adobe Audition has, it has "voice cancelling" settings/presets, it will depend on the song though...frequencys an all, i have used it a few times and its done a really good job, so i would say to an extent they do make them :)
fire it up and click Effects > Filters > Center Channel Extractor
then use the drop down menu for some useful presets ie:
acapella
karaoke (drop vocals 20db)
Lift Vocals (10db)
Remove Vocals
and a few others...
worth a shot - like i said, its been very useful to me in some situations :)
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/01/25 : 23:18:53
I used to know of a certain program, when matching an instrumental version exactly the same as vocal version albeit with vocals, then doing some certain processing, it would remove the vocals.. but that sint realli what ur looking for i guess, cos if there was an instrumental there would be no worries in the first place.. it is just a way of getting accapellas, but i dont know what program it is and its probably very technical.
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Dynamitri
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 00:29:31
OK - let's make things clear. It is not possible.
The reason for that is that the frequencies of human voice (i.e. The Vocalist), in the final mix, interlace with the frequencies of the backing track. It is not possible to remove the vocals from the track to create an instrumental, nor it is possible to remove the backing track to get an acapella. At least - not without having an impact on the final product that we want to get. You might, as it has been previously suggested, try channel extraction plug-ins, i.e. the plugins that readjusts the settings of the space in the final mix (vocals are, usually, in the so-called "centre" of the mix) - but, as it has also already been said, you are not guaranteed good results - a lot depends on how the track has been mixed in the studio and how the (sonic) space has been arranged. Furthermore, it's almost 100% guaranteed you will also lose some of the dynamics due to the, already mentioned, overlapping frequencies of vocals and the backing track.
Theoretically, it would be possible to do this, while having the final mix and an instrumental of the track - you could do spectral substraction, i.e. removing the spectrum of an instrumental from the final mix, leaving the vocals on their own. Theoretically, as it would require you to have exactly the same performances, which does not happen in the real world. While substracting an instrumental provided on a CD, you are already dealing with a messy track, from the sonic point of view - the instrumental has already been mastered on its own, probably has got different dynamics, might (and most certainly will) have it's own normalization settings, compression, limiting, etc.
Still, what you can do, might result in satisfactory (but in no way professional) results - so it is worth trying, if you only have the patience to do that. But do not believe the people who try to sell you VSTs that will magically remove vocals from the track, creating an instrumental - it's physically impossible, from the purely scientific point of view.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 00:52:57
meh - i would still say its more of a
"yes, it is possible, but dont be surprised when it sounds like a digital mess being played through a cellphone underwater"
besides what you said is practically what i said..execpt i perhaps wasnt as harsh about it ;)
(hense the "they do, but only to an extent" and quotations on "voice canceling" and only touching on frequency's - without beating it in to poor scottyando's head
it is most certainly physically impossible
no harm in him giving it a go..it might be exactly the extent that he needs - in which case they do make somthing...
like i said earlyer, i've had good results with some projects ive worked on, the better results have come through (unsurprisingly) with Vocals/Speaking that only has a very basic background, some with just strings, in one case with a low bass humm that i was after just the speach on top of it, ran it through a few more filters, vocoder (haha) you could never tell it was the original or ripped! Win!
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TypeR
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 03:25:39
why do you want to remove the vocals from the songs anyway?
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 14:24:32
quote:
Originally posted by Starstruck:
I used to know of a certain program, when matching an instrumental version exactly the same as vocal version albeit with vocals, then doing some certain processing, it would remove the vocals.. but that sint realli what ur looking for i guess, cos if there was an instrumental there would be no worries in the first place.. it is just a way of getting accapellas, but i dont know what program it is and its probably very technical.
Umm, actually, that's what you would do to make an acapella
If you wanted to remove the vocals, you'd take an acapella and do reverse phasing with the full version of the track, including vocals, leaving only the music.
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scottyando
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 21:27:08
Thanks for your inputtings people! i shall take my findings into the lab to experiment.
I want to cancel vocals to put my own voice over a track to make myself a wee bootleg.
I also use a lot of samples in my tracks but if i cant find the accapella of the track i have to edit the original and i keep gettin stray hi hats n kicks n zapps in with the vocals that are pain in my *******s. I was jus pondering how I can resolve it.
Thanks again ppls
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Dynamitri
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 22:14:13
Yea, I was about to post about the drums that stay in the vocals. It is a pain in the ass, indeed - I find the kickdrum being excruciatingly frustrating. You might try spectral analysis and noise reduction (i.e. when you have a sample of the kickdrum itself, it should do a pretty good job).
One more thing - 99% of what you do, I presume, is mp3 based, mp3 is a lossy format, theoretically for 95% of people it won't make much difference between a decent mp3 and a CD, but when you want to toy with the sound, that's when the crappiness of the mp3 as a format comes in. Basically, as far as "listening" is concerned, mp3s are - for the most of people - okay, but operating on mp3s while trying to form and model something new out of them, makes the lost information emphasize itself (if it does make any sense for you). Usually you don't hear that something has been cut out of the file when you listen to it as it should be listened to, but once you start tampering with the channel converting, filtering/equalizing et al, you realize how much of the original signal, that then becomes useful, has been lost. That is the very cause of the annoying rustles, swishes and whistles, that you probably already have experienced - these are, to illustrate it in a vivid way, "sonic holes", where normally some data would be, but has been removed due to the fact that it had been presumed inaudible during regular listening.
Therefore it is hard to get good results by the means aforementioned in the discussion, unless you operate on a non-lossy CD/vinyl rip that has got full sonic spectrum of the track, without anything truncated (even if it's otherwise inaudible) by a convertion to a lossy format.
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scottyando
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 22:28:25
yes, i mostly use mp3 and .wav for samples. Im awaiting a parcel this week - a midi keyboard and ableton :D so i will start workin with vinyl samples
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Dynamitri
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Posted - 2009/01/26 : 23:08:15
yea, .wav's are okay, it's not a lossy format. what midi keyboard u're gonna have? i have bought the novation x-station 49 and i'm really happy with it. midi keyboard + built-in synth + audio interface, so basically a mobile studio in one rack, lol!
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Posted - 2009/01/27 : 05:02:17
If you have an instrumental version of the track you run the tracks in a sound editor and produce a delta wave (the difference of the two tracks) and you get the straight vocal (more or less).
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Shades
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Posted - 2009/01/27 : 14:18:38
quote:
Originally posted by Dynamitri:
OK - let's make things clear. It is not possible.
then explain this.......
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=onw8y4st4VY
it's also possible to invert loops from the original song which have no vocal! but use WAV's not mp3's, the peaks in wav's are way more prominent.
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