Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 12:48:10
Agnostic: holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
Atheist: someone who denies the existence of god
Blackcrow Advanced Member
United Kingdom
723 posts Joined: Dec, 2003
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 12:50:28
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
There is no where between the two.
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
Agnostic: holds that you can neither prove nor disprove God's existence"
Atheist: someone who denies the existence of god
Really?
Oh well in that case I must be a Science/Logic Biased rational thinking Agnostic then.
I already knew what an Agnostic, and an Atheist was, i have learnt about these things years ago.
I was just confusing myself really, and trying to emphasize, that i'd like to beleive in a God, but the Rational Scientific Logical thinking part of me wont let me.
^^Which i was postulating could be a little less than an Agnostic, in order of beleif.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,637 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 13:01:01
"Humanism is the belief that we can live good lives without religious or superstitious beliefs. Humanists make sense of the world using reason, experience and shared human values. They seek to make the best of the one life they have by creating meaning and purpose for themselves. ..."
Blackcrow Advanced Member
United Kingdom
723 posts Joined: Dec, 2003
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 13:14:51
quote:Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
"Humanism is the belief that we can live good lives without religious or superstitious beliefs. Humanists make sense of the world using reason, experience and shared human values. They seek to make the best of the one life they have by creating meaning and purpose for themselves. ..."
They sound like very sensible, intellegent, Logical people.
Audio X Advanced Member
United States
670 posts Joined: Feb, 2004
13 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 21:20:25
quote:Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
quote:Originally posted by Blackcrow:
I'm an Agnostic/Atheist
They're....quite different you know... you can't be both...
Actually that's not true. An agnostic asserts that it can't be known whether or not there is a god. An atheist simply does not believe in a god. They're not mutually exclusive - You can pretty safely say that you don't know if there is one or not, but that you don't think there is.
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
Religion contradicts itself, and can't be proven to be right.
Scientific finds contradicts itself, most are just theory's, and can't be proven to be right.
I'm sorry, but this is the biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long time. Science most certainly can be proven to be right, and it constantly IS proven to be right.
The one, large, glaring difference here is that when Science produces results that contradict other findings, scientists try to find out *why* they contradict each other. After that, new theories are created or old theories are revised to include new findings, and everything is constantly tested for falsehood. Science is malleable and open to growth in this way.
Religion, on the other hand, is rooted in dogma and tradition. If something comes up that seems to contradict it, it's just swept under the rug or dismissed as heresy, or they try to explain it away with some magical hocus pocus by interpreting some vague passage from an archaic book out of context while retroactively trying to make it look like it fulfills some kind of prophecy. Nothing is ever questioned or tested for falsehood. Ever.
choonland Advanced Member
Colombia
1,100 posts Joined: Dec, 2007
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 22:44:53
quote:Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Religion contradicts itself, and can't be proven to be right.
Scientific finds contradicts itself, most are just theory's, and can't be proven to be right.
I'm sorry, but this is the biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long time. Science most certainly can be proven to be right, and it constantly IS proven to be right.
The one, large, glaring difference here is that when Science produces results that contradict other findings, scientists try to find out *why* they contradict each other. After that, new theories are created or old theories are revised to include new findings, and everything is constantly tested for falsehood. Science is malleable and open to growth in this way.
actually science CAN'T really prove anything. science just tell you what is the "most likely thing could happen"
for example, if you drop an apple 4 billion times and all these times the apple goes down, it does NOT necessarily mean that ALL the times the apple will go down.
maybe, by some strange event in the universe, if you drop the apple 4 billion and one, the apple could go up!
its just that its basically crazy try to do that experiment, so we all agree that the most likely thing is that ALL the times, the apple will go down.
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/01/28 : 23:39:41
quote:Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm sorry, but this is the biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long time. Science most certainly can be proven to be right, and it constantly IS proven to be right.
The one, large, glaring difference here is that when Science produces results that contradict other findings, scientists try to find out *why* they contradict each other. After that, new theories are created or old theories are revised to include new findings, and everything is constantly tested for falsehood. Science is malleable and open to growth in this way.
Religion, on the other hand, is rooted in dogma and tradition. If something comes up that seems to contradict it, it's just swept under the rug or dismissed as heresy, or they try to explain it away with some magical hocus pocus by interpreting some vague passage from an archaic book out of context while retroactively trying to make it look like it fulfills some kind of prophecy. Nothing is ever questioned or tested for falsehood. Ever.
Who says science is right? You? Scientists? Who are you, and why should I care what you think?
Who says everything we do is right, and not just a miracle. Everything we think might be true, could be completely wrong and just works, or is 1/1000th of how something actually works.
whispering Moderator
Finland
8,453 posts Joined: Nov, 2002
Posted - 2009/01/29 : 05:50:00
quote:Originally posted by Audio X:
I'm sorry, but this is the biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long time. Science most certainly can be proven to be right, and it constantly IS proven to be right.
Science takes all the evidence and based on those makes a desision. Science is most sertainly not truthful or right. Its a lucky guess. People have done some really nasty things (and still do) in the name of science. Just as with religions.
I'm with TheOneNOnly with this one.
quote:Originally posted by Audio X:
Religion, on the other hand, is rooted in dogma and tradition. If something comes up that seems to contradict it, it's just swept under the rug or dismissed as heresy, or they try to explain it away with some magical hocus pocus by interpreting some vague passage from an archaic book out of context while retroactively trying to make it look like it fulfills some kind of prophecy. Nothing is ever questioned or tested for falsehood. Ever.
It sounds like you dont know many religious people.