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choonland Advanced Member
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 02:38:38
well, in my journey through music, I tend to think a lot in the conceptual part of it, and I've been thinking these days if it would be possible to make some sort of hardcore ballad?
WTF!! you may be thinking rigth?
well, these thoughts came from making an analogy with all these rock bands from the 80's (poison, kiss, bon jovi, def leppard, etc) which introduce the concept of "power ballad".
while most of the songs of these bands where relatively "hard", rocking, and headbangers, they took some time create these so called "ballads", that even softer, still keept that Rock essence, and actually some of these ballads became timeless classics of rock.
so, now the interesting part... could we do the same? could we step aside from the fast bpm, and explore new approaches to what "hard" means to us? does hard necessarily mean fast?
my question is, if rock bands could do it, and those ballads are consired rock songs, instead of other different genre, we could maybe do that too, and this way extend the creative posibilities of our beloved music, and still be happy hardcore.
Alert moderator Edited by - choonland on 2009/02/12 02:47:37
Jackol Senior Member
United States
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 02:58:50
BLASPHEMY!
BURN THE HERETIC!
jkplur
in all seriousness, it's worth a shot. I have no idea how to go about doing it, but maybe if some people can start something, I'd definitely like to weigh in.
DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 04:22:02
One thing that separates rock from dance music is the fact that dj friendly dance music swears by the kick on the click and rock doesn't (It must or else it wouldnt be "dj friendly"). The typical rock ballad usually slows down the tempo or might have tempo changes within the song. As we all know, if you slow Hardcore down from say, 175 to 140 bpm, you're entering the realms of other genres that flow at this speed (psy trance, Hard house etc.) if it weren't for this "rigid" standard of making tracks around a certain tempo we'd have chaos. :P
Besides, the typical hardcore anthem IS usually a ballad.just fast and danceable. :)
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Jackol Senior Member
United States
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 06:55:39
Yeah, fundabounce is right. There are also quite a few hardcore songs that do slow down in the middle, and become ballad-like. (of course, I can't think of anything off the top of my head)
But I'd still like to see an attempt.
Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 08:59:10
I don't think you could make a "hardcore" ballad to be honest.
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snerkler Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 12:06:18
Isn't that what Force and Style did, make hardore ballads ;-)
Seriously though, I have a mix of Paradise and Dreams which is more or less a ballad. It has Junior and female vocals on (probably Jenna), pretty sure it's on United Dance.
Field Of Dreams as well (Brilliant track), hard ish track but not the kind that makes you want to bounce around like a lunatic ;-)
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choonland Advanced Member
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 14:03:08
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
One thing that separates rock from dance music is the fact that dj friendly dance music swears by the kick on the click and rock doesn't (It must or else it wouldnt be "dj friendly"). The typical rock ballad usually slows down the tempo or might have tempo changes within the song. As we all know, if you slow Hardcore down from say, 175 to 140 bpm, you're entering the realms of other genres that flow at this speed (psy trance, Hard house etc.) if it weren't for this "rigid" standard of making tracks around a certain tempo we'd have chaos. :P
Besides, the typical hardcore anthem IS usually a ballad.just fast and danceable. :)
yes, you are rigth about the "dj friendly" argument. but theres another oportunity, I mean why everthing has to be for mixing? couldn't it be just for listening?
and about the others genres, each one has different types of kicks, synths, etc. that characterize that genre, so I think that the fact one slow the tempo, doesn't necessarily mean you are invading other genre.
@Jackol: I guess we could consider the breakdown as some sort of ballad like bit, maybe take that to a next level?
snerkler Senior Member
United Kingdom
461 posts Joined: Aug, 2008
Posted - 2009/02/12 : 14:53:47
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I don't think you could make a "hardcore" ballad to be honest.
Because I have way too much time on my hands and because I'm such an immensely sad git I've just been on wikipanion (wikipedia on the iphone) and looked up what a ballad actually is :-/
The true meaning of a ballad is a poem usually set to music.
However is has subsequently become to mean "slower OR sentimental songs". Therefore I take from this that a ballad does not necessarily dictate the tempo of the music. A lot of Hardcore songs ARE therefore ballads as are sentimental.
Just to finish off, "a power (rock) ballad is an emotional song; generally a love song delivered with power often using rock instruments and heavy metal"
Do I qualify as a super nerd now?
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/02/12 : 17:02:43
Paul Elstak- Love you more (Stunned Guys Remix) comes to mind! It is Hardcore but happy! It isn't on youtube but another Stunned Guys remix is which sounds similar...
DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
2,156 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2009/02/12 : 19:27:47
quote:Originally posted by Naturatech:
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
One thing that separates rock from dance music is the fact that dj friendly dance music swears by the kick on the click and rock doesn't (It must or else it wouldnt be "dj friendly"). The typical rock ballad usually slows down the tempo or might have tempo changes within the song. As we all know, if you slow Hardcore down from say, 175 to 140 bpm, you're entering the realms of other genres that flow at this speed (psy trance, Hard house etc.) if it weren't for this "rigid" standard of making tracks around a certain tempo we'd have chaos. :P
Besides, the typical hardcore anthem IS usually a ballad.just fast and danceable. :)
yes, you are rigth about the "dj friendly" argument. but theres another oportunity, I mean why everthing has to be for mixing? couldn't it be just for listening?
that's what radio edits are for, aren't they?
quote:Originally posted by Naturatech:
and about the others genres, each one has different types of kicks, synths, etc. that characterize that genre, so I think that the fact one slow the tempo, doesn't necessarily mean you are invading other genre.
Many styles of techno nowadays seem quite unrelated in terms of textures speed and melodies (some not even having melodies) but, as I understand it, everything that has a kick and an off beat hi hat is or was related at some point in their evolution, therefore making it all "techno",
just like everything that has electric guitars and real drums is related to Rock, to a degree.
an interesting example of genre fusions is Sharkey and Marc Smiths mix on Bonkers 15.
no ballads in there but you can tell the influence from other styles during the mix.
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Alert moderatorEdited by - DJ_FunDaBounce on 2009/02/12 19:37:00
Jackol Senior Member
United States
443 posts Joined: Nov, 2008
Posted - 2009/02/13 : 00:22:49
quote:Originally posted by snerkler:
quote:Originally posted by Mortis:
I don't think you could make a "hardcore" ballad to be honest.
Because I have way too much time on my hands and because I'm such an immensely sad git I've just been on wikipanion (wikipedia on the iphone) and looked up what a ballad actually is :-/
The true meaning of a ballad is a poem usually set to music.
However is has subsequently become to mean "slower OR sentimental songs". Therefore I take from this that a ballad does not necessarily dictate the tempo of the music. A lot of Hardcore songs ARE therefore ballads as are sentimental.
Just to finish off, "a power (rock) ballad is an emotional song; generally a love song delivered with power often using rock instruments and heavy metal"
Do I qualify as a super nerd now?
TECHNICALLY, Ballads were epic poems set to music, mostly prevalent during the 15th and 16th centuries. They were typically passed on orally without being written down (due to the fact that most people couldn't read or write), and they followed a rhyme scheme of ABCB, with a stressed syllable pattern of 4, 3, 4, 3. The language was fairly basic because ballads were mostly written and presented amongst the lower class.
AP English nerd.
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