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atomsk
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 Posted - 2009/04/20 : 21:48:07
what are your veiws on your government wanting to block a lot of website in your area?
ive been seening thins about it all over the webz
i thinks its crap
well you should take a look at this site
http://blackouteurope.eu
soo what do you think?
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djDMS
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Posted - 2009/04/20 : 21:59:49
Depends on the websites. Governments can be a bit 'big brother' like but the internet badly needs regulating better and all the harmful stuff removing.
To be quite honest, 95% of websites could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/04/20 : 22:12:52
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Originally posted by djDMS:
To be quite honest, 95% of websites could disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
i feel the same way
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Leto
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Posted - 2009/04/20 : 22:15:34
I think this depends on how you expect a government to function and if you view liberty as a fundamental right or a privilege. What I get mad about is the notion that ISPs would direct you to their specific partners and create monopolies not only in the internet service, but they would direct web traffic as well, thereby limiting the sort of "free market" that exists within the series of tubes we call teh interweb.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 00:23:02
i think its a load of rubbish and wont happen :) just like everything else the press likes to make a fuss about.
in this country, the media always bangs on about china and the middle east blocking websites and even the govenment say its wrong..so i dunno where these sites are getting their info from, sounds like a load of hippy conspiracy BS to me.
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 05:24:31
well like it was on us news the a while ago, and they were saying crap about the us is gona do that too it was all bs
the internet should be open to any with anything
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 06:18:26
The link on the first post is dead. But anyway...
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Depends on the websites. Governments can be a bit 'big brother' like but the internet badly needs regulating better and all the harmful stuff removing.
The first website i knew that was blocked here, was a site that critized the law. You are giving the keys to your freedom away, you dont get them back as easily. But lets see what we can benefit, it takes me about 30 seconds to find a proxy with google that can bypass our firewall. Also when they start collecting these addresses, the info will eventually leak: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Denmark:_3863_sites_on_censorship_list%2C_Feb_2008
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i think its a load of rubbish and wont happen :) just like everything else the press likes to make a fuss about.
Sure it wount
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mitchy_boy
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 12:26:31
yeh if anyone from aus watches insight on sbs theyd no that the some groups lobbying to regulate the internet, mainly the christian party, which didnt surprises me. the representitive for them was a total douche had no clue what he was talking about
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 14:51:07
It shouldn't happen, although it really wouldn't surprise me. The EU are regulation mad.
It never fails to surprise me that the left who oppose censorship begin to do it themselves when they're in power. Hypocrites. Look no further than the Labour party in the UK. They are slowly but surely stripping us of our civil liberties.
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jenks
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 16:20:43
I haven't heard about this in Europe, but I know it's already started in Australia and is pretty bad over there.
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Originally posted by Watson.:
It shouldn't happen, although it really wouldn't surprise me. The EU are regulation mad.
It never fails to surprise me that the left who oppose censorship begin to do it themselves when they're in power. Hypocrites. Look no further than the Labour party in the UK. They are slowly but surely stripping us of our civil liberties.
Seeing that our solutions to this seems to be to all vote Tory, we probably deserve it.
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 19:50:48
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
It shouldn't happen, although it really wouldn't surprise me. The EU are regulation mad.
This has nothing to do with EU, its COMPLEATLY done by local governments. EU couldnt touch our privacy laws even if they wanted.
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 22:44:19
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
It shouldn't happen, although it really wouldn't surprise me. The EU are regulation mad.
This has nothing to do with EU, its COMPLEATLY done by local governments. EU couldnt touch our privacy laws even if they wanted.
The first paragraph of the link :
URGENT - VOTING IN EU PARLIAMENT 5th of MAY 2009
Don't let the EU parliament lock up the Internet! There will be no way back!
It's being voted on by the EU parliament. The website is urging people to contact their MEPs. It is not being voted in by the state governments.
As for the EU not touching privicy laws - I wouldn't bet on that. We're heading in a direction where it's only a matter of time until we're in some sort of federal EU super state.
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Leto
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 23:13:08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)
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Meph751
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Posted - 2009/04/21 : 23:23:06
quote:
Originally posted by Leto:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)
bring it on! i've felt for a long time that our world is far too boring...
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whispering
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Posted - 2009/04/22 : 15:32:16
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
The first paragraph of the link :
URGENT - VOTING IN EU PARLIAMENT 5th of MAY 2009
Don't let the EU parliament lock up the Internet! There will be no way back!
It's being voted on by the EU parliament. The website is urging people to contact their MEPs. It is not being voted in by the state governments.
As for the EU not touching privicy laws - I wouldn't bet on that. We're heading in a direction where it's only a matter of time until we're in some sort of federal EU super state.
Ah, link wasnt working before. From what ive read that law allowes countries to block access to illegal content, as can be seen from the image i posted, our country is already doing it. So are several others. It does not however force anyone to block anything.
As far as privacy laws go, i'm sorry but our constitution overrides anything EU does. Our government would first have to change our constitution for anything to happen. Is that possible? Of course it is, but it would be done by our government, not EU.
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Watson.
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Posted - 2009/04/22 : 17:45:18
quote:
Originally posted by whispering:
quote:
Originally posted by Watson.:
The first paragraph of the link :
URGENT - VOTING IN EU PARLIAMENT 5th of MAY 2009
Don't let the EU parliament lock up the Internet! There will be no way back!
It's being voted on by the EU parliament. The website is urging people to contact their MEPs. It is not being voted in by the state governments.
As for the EU not touching privicy laws - I wouldn't bet on that. We're heading in a direction where it's only a matter of time until we're in some sort of federal EU super state.
Ah, link wasnt working before. From what ive read that law allowes countries to block access to illegal content, as can be seen from the image i posted, our country is already doing it. So are several others. It does not however force anyone to block anything.
As far as privacy laws go, i'm sorry but our constitution overrides anything EU does. Our government would first have to change our constitution for anything to happen. Is that possible? Of course it is, but it would be done by our government, not EU.
Well, yes and no. There are two views on that.
The UK parliaments view is that parliament is the supreme law maker, and can make or un make any law that it pleases. The view of the EU is that their laws are supreme.
If a piece of legislation went against EU policy, then the UK would be found against in the EU courts. They wouldn't have to amend the law, but they'd be left open to legal challenge though the European Courts. Although legally speaking the UK can do what it likes, it won't go against the EU for political reasons. Westminster could pass a piece of legislation contrary to the Human Rights Act if it wanted to, but it won't, as to not upset the EU.
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