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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/05/26 : 14:33:36
My latest collection of classics arrived the other day, one of which being Miss Groovy- Rough & Tough EP (1995)
For those who don't know, Miss Groovy was a Hardcore artist from Italy & one of the greatest females to grace the global rave scene! Her style was always hard!
Here is one such tune: Jungle sickness
Now that tune is REAL Hardcore, it isn't Gabber as such but it is hard enough to be a sick tune!
Now lets see, Darren Styles, Sy, Hixxy they don't make tunes as this (Hixxy did try at one time though) so how can a woman make a real hard tune & the guys can't? Come on lads, your letting the side down! Knightvison & Lady Dana where also good female artists who made harder tunes than most of the guys these days!
Whats going on?
Also miss Groovy was in 2 without heads who did the original 'you and me' which Scott Brown remixes & is on Hixxy's mix, Bonkers 4 (1998)
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/26 : 21:20:22
agree with revs on this one.
and Smoogie had you posted this 10 years ago it would have been a worthwhile conversation when ppl actually produced that type of hardcore. but now, not many people give a shit.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 09:07:26
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
agree with revs on this one.
and Smoogie had you posted this 10 years ago it would have been a worthwhile conversation when ppl actually produced that type of hardcore. but now, not many people give a shit.
Oh yer, thats right, people don't make 'real' Hardcore anymore do they. Instead we are stuck in the 2000s with the trance rifts, basslines and vocals as the 'scene has changed and moved forward'
it is that attitude which is why we don't get good tunes anymore at the end of the day a good tune is a good tune and it dosn't matter how old it is. Just saying that a female artist made a harder tune than any of the guys at raverbaby who have 'moved with the times' and make a load of shit tunes...
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 21:05:05
quote:Originally posted by Fishy:
I dont know, I dont think that tune is so ****ing good
I love it. The other two tracks on there are also great lol In fact compared to alot of UK stuff at the time the Dutch & Italians really did no how to own the show lol
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2009/05/27 : 22:45:19
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
agree with revs on this one.
and Smoogie had you posted this 10 years ago it would have been a worthwhile conversation when ppl actually produced that type of hardcore. but now, not many people give a shit.
What the **** are you talking about? This is a Hardcore forum to talk about Hardcore music. It's not our fault you don't like traditional Hardcore. What makes you think we want to read about the type of Hardcore you like? This forum and the people on it were around long before this Clubland scene.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2009/05/27 : 23:20:01
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
if thats not gabber then i don,t know what is lol
korsakoff she plays gabber and shes super fit to!
its not entirely gabber.. its like a half gabber half old skool hardcore kick...
i like lisa lashes
This is Gabber:
I find some Dutch/ Italian & American Hardcore from the 90s sounds a bit like Freeform but harder! I like stuff by Stormtrooper, Robbie Long, AMS & Devestate ect as they arn't shy of useing hard kicks and nor is Marc Smith (but he don't like being called a Freeform DJ lol)
To be honest these tunes are real Hardcore. Clubland isn't Hardcore and the Raverbaby tunes are just a faster version of Hardcore but nothing compared to tunes like this (IMO) UK Happy Hardcore was cheesey but lept a Hardcore edge as you will here in this tune: Note the hard kick against the cheesy vibes, that is Happy Hardcore lol
ferocious New Member
United Kingdom
74 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2009/05/28 : 10:16:58
That Tweedle Dum track was regarded as "new" happy hardcore, Smoogie. Some traditional fans said it was not happy hardcore at all, since it was influenced by Scott Brown's stuff. In fact that one sounds more outright bouncy as there's no uplifting pianos, strings, vocals that characterised the English sound.
People, particularly outside the UK, have a hard time grasping this part. What happened was the new Brown-inspired English stuff was far more widespread than breakbeat. That's why they made it in the first place as Brown's stuff was huge. They wanted a piece of that. It attracted new fans that were unaware of any musical change taking place.
Here's a few very old post from Brown's Evolution forum. These aren't incidentally on his current forum. But this was some of the reaction. Most was word-of-mouth reaction before the days of the internet, so is undocumented.
- Kick-stab-kick-stab-kick-stab *yawn*. I hold you Mr Brown personally reponsible for the death of 'Propah' Happy Hardcore (Early Kniteforce, Impact, Boompastic Plastic, etc). Proper Breakz, not 909 drug music for skemie's wearing Kappa tracksuits and pounding out while driving around in their f*cking Nova's with 'On A Mission' stickers in the back windscreen. (Sunday October 03 1999)
- I remember the moment I knew the happy breaks sound was dead - that was when I heard 'Now is the ****ing Time' being played at Helter Skelter of all places. I just shook my head in disgust. I pretty much stopped listning to Happy stuff from that point forward - it was simply a joke from that point (Sunday October 03 1999)
Smoogie Advanced Member
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Posted - 2009/05/28 : 11:13:07
quote:Originally posted by ferocious:
- Kick-stab-kick-stab-kick-stab *yawn*. I hold you Mr Brown personally reponsible for the death of 'Propah' Happy Hardcore (Early Kniteforce, Impact, Boompastic Plastic, etc). Proper Breakz, not 909 drug music for skemie's wearing Kappa tracksuits and pounding out while driving around in their f*cking Nova's with 'On A Mission' stickers in the back windscreen. (Sunday October 03 1999)
- I remember the moment I knew the happy breaks sound was dead - that was when I heard 'Now is the ****ing Time' being played at Helter Skelter of all places. I just shook my head in disgust. I pretty much stopped listning to Happy stuff from that point forward - it was simply a joke from that point (Sunday October 03 1999)
I take it that 'Skemies in Kappa tracksuits' where what we call chavs now ten years later. Interesting stuff, indeed Scott Brown had an impact on the English scene back then (as did alot of Scottish/ Dutch artists) but why did the Scottish stuff die out in 1997 (along with most Dutch Happier stuff) to give way to more softer vocal stuff which paved the way for today's bollox? Very few Bouncy Techno tunes came out after 1997 and very few happy Dutch tunes came out then as well (Pengo died in 1997 & Paul Elstak went back underground)
Tweddledum (and the track before it on Bonkers, Is anybody out there by Ham) where both very Dutch sounding. Few Scottish tunes made it on the early Bonkers except some of Marc Smith's tunes (along with Sharkey) & stuff by Eruption (who was Scottish but seemed to do happy stuff only) Then again Technotrance got a tune on Bonkers 2 (Whores in the house)
At least back then Hardcore was hard regardless of what subgenre it was. These days it is just Trance rift, bassline, vocal, breakdown ect... Its like being in 2005 all over again where in 1999 it was nothing like 1995, which had it all; breakbeat, vocals, Scottish, Dutch, Gabber.. It was all good stuff back then!
95_was_the_time Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,285 posts Joined: Oct, 2005
Posted - 2009/05/28 : 11:53:43
to be honest i dont even know why us people here discus the so called hardcore post year 2000 cause after 2000, it just aint hardcore anymore, it's all just love songs and stuff.
if i was a mod here, i'd ban anyone talking about post 2000 hardcore.
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 09:07:26
at the end of the day a good tune is a good tune and it dosn't matter how old it is. Just saying that a female artist made a harder tune than any of the guys at raverbaby who have 'moved with the times' and make a load of shit tunes... 
