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Meathead
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 Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:47:11
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Originally posted by redwingz:
Im pretty much like Meathead and Bulby, I love the underground stuff, but I will happily pound ‘Amigos’ or some other cheesy track through my speakers too. There is always a divide between underground and commercial in any genre. The underground people are scared that commercialisation will ruin the true roots of the music whilst the commercial people aren’t always aware of the underground and find it too raw for their tastes. The best way to be is to know about both and not be ignorant. There are different sides to hardcore and unless you have heard the different sides you cannot say which is best. People who are just into the underground more tend to be very defensive and scared of change and people who are just into commercial tend to be oblivious to the underground and naïve in that they don’t think the underground guys are talented cause they haven’t made it commercially.
I say, enjoy both, or just enjoy what you enjoy! Its all Music
Woah, woah, woah! I do like some cheese but Amigos? Dont you dare say you agree with me and then mention THAT song in the same sentence. People will think i listen to it, how dare you soil my name like that! 
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Originally posted by Kosmic:
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
people from towns/cities buy clubland cds
people from villages buy more serficticated style hardcore
LIES!
And bad spelling. How's that for sophisticated 
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:56:22
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
people from towns/cities buy clubland cds
people from villages buy more serficticated style hardcore
you're an idiot.
P.S. is that word meant to "sophisticated"?
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 17:58:25
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
Never have i felt the need to use this term before, but right now its just so perfect...
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catjam
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:06:43
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Originally posted by dantheman:There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
If you have a CD thats just released and loads of adverts for it on tv imo that pretty much means its "commercial"
and most of the trax on it if not them all will have vocals in them...why..because it makes it more commercial
just my opinion.
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dantheman
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:08:21
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
Never have i felt the need to use this term before, but right now its just so perfect...
I think the term Hixxy/HTID/RaverBaby fanboi would be more appropriate.
P.S. My join date is earlier than yours.
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Originally posted by catjam:
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Originally posted by dantheman:There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
If you have a CD thats just released and loads of adverts for it on tv imo that pretty much means its "commercial"
and most of the trax on it if not them all will have vocals in them...why..because it makes it more commercial
just my opinion.
Yeah because Hardcore wasn't FULL of vocals back in 95/96
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Jester MC
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:20:46
i agree with, Meathead, bulby_g, redwingz, and anyone else on the same wavelength
however i will say i dont belive in 'commercial' and 'underground' as classifications...(nor do i refer to them as 'happy' and 'freeform'..wow..)
i classify into: makes some money weather enough to live off of or not, and gets recognition for everyone except the next class, possibly even DARING to have advertisements on tv. people in this catagory just HAPPEN to sound similar as for new people to break in (for the most part) you need to sound a bit like someone b4 you, and/or you are friends with someone in this category so you naturally just make the same brand of music.
this group more often then not is extreamly talented
and then theres: makes music weather its good or not, gets recognition from no one except the poeple already IN this class, gives tracks away for free because 'your so hardcore underground and thats how it should be to support the growth of the scene (really meaning i know no one will buy this) proud as shit and more than big headed and narssasistic about their producing abilities, chirping the 'commercial' artists that are so NOT the right face for MY music, and those BASTARDS get to play infront of the best crowds and its all to sing songy happy...im not happy hardcore im HARDCORE, one day i will make it big and turn this whole scene around!
about half of this group is actually talented
95_was_the_time
just seems to have his own thing
and then people who get it.
i dont need to explain cuz you already get it
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HardcoreUnderground
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:26:42
"Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy""
I don't think anyone has quite nailed it, yet.
If I had to put a line in the sand it would be:
Underground - Limited resouces and profile, happy to experiment with styles and influences within production and DJ sets, not represented at HTID
Commercial - Limitless resources and long standing profile, writing to a target market and thus likely wary of introducing elements past or present that aren't over familiar to that demographic, on nearly every HTID line-up. Signed exclusively to major compilation album series.
It's not even as if there is a huge stylistic difference, always, but it's there all the same overall.
It all started going horrifically wrong in my mind around the time of Hardcore Euphoria as that's when album "loading" crossed from one section of the scene ( albeit the most high profile one ) to anyone with a license to license. Hardcore Underground was created specifically because it was impossible to get on any other external albums at that time and masses of good material had no platform. Despite our sincerest efforts that still remains the case to no small degree.
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dantheman
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:30:18
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Originally posted by HardcoreUnderground:
"Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy""
I don't think anyone has quite nailed it, yet.
If I had to put a line in the sand it would be:
Underground - Limited resouces and profile, happy to experiment with styles and influences within production and DJ sets, not represented at HTID
Commercial - Limitless resources and long standing profile, writing to a target market and thus likely wary of introducing elements past or present that aren't over familiar to that demographic, on nearly every HTID line-up. Signed exclusively to major compilation album series.
It's not even as if there is a huge stylistic difference, always, but it's there all the same overall.
It all started going horrifically wrong in my mind around the time of Hardcore Euphoria as that's when album "loading" crossed from one section of the scene ( albeit the most high profile one ) to anyone with a license to license. Hardcore Underground was created specifically because it was impossible to get on any other external albums at that time and masses of good material had no platform. Despite our sincerest efforts that still remains the case to no small degree.
All IMNHSO as per
CDJay
I can agree with this.
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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 18:42:49
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
I agree with meathead.
Freeform is a style of hardcore and a movement. underground isnt freeform, dumbass. and commercial isnt happy.
In fact, your missing my point completely. Im basically comparing commercial and non-commercial music and saying if theres a divide inbetween. im highlighting the two hardcore cults that have existed over time.
Hardcore IS commercialised if you see it in TV commercials and posters on streets.... Its impossible to say that Bonkers isnt commercial because it was aimed to be a tv advertised album using a commercial campaign. its not commercialised in the USA, obviously, as AATW is in the UK... this probably, therefore, isnt the topic for you..
over here, aswell, htid is a term commonly used with commercial music. if people hear darren styles they asscosiate it automatically with htid. its how english people often identify hardcore, since they know little about it. Again, being american you wouldnt understand this, just as you misunderstood the topic.
Your join date doesnt determine how much you know about this.. since you posted your bonkers review, you've displayed you know very little, and understand even less.
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Entity
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:07:30
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Originally posted by dantheman:
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Originally posted by HardcoreUnderground:
"Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy""
I don't think anyone has quite nailed it, yet.
If I had to put a line in the sand it would be:
Underground - Limited resouces and profile, happy to experiment with styles and influences within production and DJ sets, not represented at HTID
Commercial - Limitless resources and long standing profile, writing to a target market and thus likely wary of introducing elements past or present that aren't over familiar to that demographic, on nearly every HTID line-up. Signed exclusively to major compilation album series.
It's not even as if there is a huge stylistic difference, always, but it's there all the same overall.
Bingo. Couldn't put it any better.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:13:37
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Originally posted by dantheman:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
Never have i felt the need to use this term before, but right now its just so perfect...
I think the term Hixxy/HTID/RaverBaby fanboi would be more appropriate.
P.S. My join date is earlier than yours.
And yet you know sweet f all about Hardcore.....
Freeform and Happy Hardcore are SUB GENRES of hardcore. Underground and Commercial are types of Hardcore describing what market the sound appeals to the most. Not all Freeform is Underground just as not all Happy/UK Hardcore is commercial, so youre description is quite frankly stupid but also that of a newbie to the music, so thats why i assumed you were a noob (no, i couldnt be bothered to check yiur joining date).
How long youve been a member of this forum doesnt matter, as with everything in life its what you do in that time that counts not the time youve had. Some people never progress and mature in their musical taste, sticking to what theyve always listened to, there's nothing wrong with that, but others do progress onto other things and in doing so learn things about the music. So how long youve been listening to youre one sub-genre of one genre of music is completely irrelelvent, you still speak as anybody new to the music, the scene and this forum would. So in the time youve been here youve clearly not been paying attention or only clicking on the threads title "OMG!!!1 HIXXY - I SEE THE LIGHT!!!! STYLES ULTRABEAT RAVERBABY I <3 THEM ROFLZ"
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dantheman
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:16:13
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
I agree with meathead.
Freeform is a style of hardcore and a movement. underground isnt freeform, dumbass. and commercial isnt happy.
In fact, your missing my point completely. Im basically comparing commercial and non-commercial music and saying if theres a divide inbetween. im highlighting the two hardcore cults that have existed over time.
Hardcore IS commercialised if you see it in TV commercials and posters on streets.... Its impossible to say that Bonkers isnt commercial because it was aimed to be a tv advertised album using a commercial campaign. its not commercialised in the USA, obviously, as AATW is in the UK... this probably, therefore, isnt the topic for you..
over here, aswell, htid is a term commonly used with commercial music. if people hear darren styles they asscosiate it automatically with htid. its how english people often identify hardcore, since they know little about it. Again, being american you wouldnt understand this, just as you misunderstood the topic.
Your join date doesnt determine how much you know about this.. since you posted your bonkers review, you've displayed you know very little, and understand even less.
EDM in general is commercialized. I know that Bonkers commercials are played on TV there. I see it more as getting the word out.
It's still the same type of music that I love. Call me a "noob" or whatever, but I have always loved the Raverbaby/HTID style of hardcore.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:24:13
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Originally posted by dantheman:
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Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
I agree with meathead.
Freeform is a style of hardcore and a movement. underground isnt freeform, dumbass. and commercial isnt happy.
In fact, your missing my point completely. Im basically comparing commercial and non-commercial music and saying if theres a divide inbetween. im highlighting the two hardcore cults that have existed over time.
Hardcore IS commercialised if you see it in TV commercials and posters on streets.... Its impossible to say that Bonkers isnt commercial because it was aimed to be a tv advertised album using a commercial campaign. its not commercialised in the USA, obviously, as AATW is in the UK... this probably, therefore, isnt the topic for you..
over here, aswell, htid is a term commonly used with commercial music. if people hear darren styles they asscosiate it automatically with htid. its how english people often identify hardcore, since they know little about it. Again, being american you wouldnt understand this, just as you misunderstood the topic.
Your join date doesnt determine how much you know about this.. since you posted your bonkers review, you've displayed you know very little, and understand even less.
EDM in general is commercialized. I know that Bonkers commercials are played on TV there. I see it more as getting the word out.
It's still the same type of music that I love. Call me a "noob" or whatever, but I have always loved the Raverbaby/HTID style of hardcore.
Noob!
Not all EDM is commercialized, just like not all Hip Hop is commercialized, not all Rock and Indie music is commercialized, not even all Hardcore is commercialized. Nothing wrong with liking the HTID style mate, i wouldnt look down on anybody for liking the music that they like, all preference in music is personal just like taste in women/men, films, food etc the only reason i said all that was because of your description of Hardcore and that was only becuase i feel if you dont know a lot of information on a subject you should sit back and learn.
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dantheman
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:27:02
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by dantheman:
Stop calling it "undrground" and "commercial". It's "freeform" and "happy"
HTID is not commercial. It is just a brand name created by Hixxy for an album and his events.
HTID events are massively popular for a reason: He books awesome lineups and its not just hardcore he also books Gabber, Hardstyle, DnB and Oldskool.
The way I see it it's more "mainstream" vs "experimental".
There is nothing "commercial" about hardcore at all. People blame AATW way too much. They do have SOME influence on Bonkers/Clubland but not as much as you people think. The artists still have quite a bit of creative control.
Never have i felt the need to use this term before, but right now its just so perfect...
I think the term Hixxy/HTID/RaverBaby fanboi would be more appropriate.
P.S. My join date is earlier than yours.
And yet you know sweet f all about Hardcore.....
Freeform and Happy Hardcore are SUB GENRES of hardcore. Underground and Commercial are types of Hardcore describing what market the sound appeals to the most. Not all Freeform is Underground just as not all Happy/UK Hardcore is commercial, so youre description is quite frankly stupid but also that of a newbie to the music, so thats why i assumed you were a noob (no, i couldnt be bothered to check yiur joining date).
How long youve been a member of this forum doesnt matter, as with everything in life its what you do in that time that counts not the time youve had. Some people never progress and mature in their musical taste, sticking to what theyve always listened to, there's nothing wrong with that, but others do progress onto other things and in doing so learn things about the music. So how long youve been listening to youre one sub-genre of one genre of music is completely irrelelvent, you still speak as anybody new to the music, the scene and this forum would. So in the time youve been here youve clearly not been paying attention or only clicking on the threads title "OMG!!!1 HIXXY - I SEE THE LIGHT!!!! STYLES ULTRABEAT RAVERBABY I <3 THEM ROFLZ"
bahaha
I do listen to other styles/subgenres. I have become quite disappointed with Freeform as of late.
I find that Freeform has become a lot more "commercial" than it used to be.
I remember searching for new Freeform vinyl on Hardbeatstore and finding records with almost all vocals.
Let's just say I really miss Elation and Electronic recordings.
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HardcoreUnderground
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Posted - 2009/05/27 : 19:32:27
Electronic as in Electronica Exposed?
Still has loads of releases, albeit not all on vinyl. There is however "Electric Bedlam".
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