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silver
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  09:14:01  Show profile View artist profile Send a private message  Visit silver's homepage View the linked resource
Taken from the news page:

Love (happy / UK) hardcore? Starting out producing or DJing or both? making a ton of great tracks but not really making any headway into the scene? We hear you... As record companies that released hardcore albums close shop, stop releasing or merge we are now at a point where all major albums are locked up by major labels and feature a majority of tracks from a select number of artists and labels.

As if being a new producer is hard enough, not even getting a look in for any sort of album or even options to get the tracks out alot of producers have given up or left for a different genre. Think it's tough being a newbie, even established artists and producers are being locked out of CD options were it being a label deciding on what type of tracks the album will use or the DJ's only using tracks signed to their label or own productions.

So what is the future for artists and the up 'n' comers? We've heard it before, sure if you have talent you will be noticed, but how to do you get noticed? Independent releases for starters, releases like Hardcore Underground, Hardcore Addiction, Hardcore Revolution, Pure Hardcore and even Crush on Hardcore (abet free but fully licensed), just to name a few. The albums don't have big advertising campaigns or sometimes even banners, but they are self funded by the artists, DJ or small labels run by 1 or 2 people. The releases feature a wide variety of different styles, artists, producer, singers, DJs and talent!

Get the info out there and make an informed decision where hardcore music comes from and who needs your support.


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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:23:06  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage
i blame people who just buy albums or tapepacks, and i blame labels that didnt start using cd/digi earlier so people would have been interested in getting singles instead

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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:31:01  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Future_Shock's homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
i blame people who just buy albums or tapepacks, and i blame labels that didnt start using cd/digi earlier so people would have been interested in getting singles instead



you want to blame people who only buy albums or tapepacks... when there are people who don't even buy that? One word: filesharing.

But wait a second... aren't you a self-admitting file-sharer? Or just used to be? Or am i thinking of someone else?

You can blame whoever you want, but underneath everything, it's filesharing that's ****ed hardcore, and the music industry in general. There's just **** all money in it compared to previously.


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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:34:38  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit acidfluxxbass's homepage
I blame commercialisation..

when you get an album with enough funding to sell in shops, you move allot faster..

albums funded by the artists are never going to make major sales asfirst because for mass sales you need to have the funds to pay designers, packagers and distributors...


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Wilky
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:45:42  Show profile  Visit Wilky's homepage
Im an ex filesharer, the only thing i illegally download is tape/cd packs. Fack payin for them! I used to buy vinyl but dont anymore. I never have and never will (i dont think) pay for mp3 files... I do buy compilations. The people to blame are the O.A.P Producer crew as its down to them all this

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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:47:51  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Triquatra's homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You can blame whoever you want, but underneath everything, it's filesharing that's ****ed hardcore, and the music industry in general. There's just **** all money in it compared to previously.



no money, no commercialisation....chaos!!!!!! oh noes!!!!!!


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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  10:57:12  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Meathead's homepage
I must have misread the intial post, becuase i didnt see anywhere any mention of whos to blame for the downfall of the music industry.

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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  11:16:47  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Triquatra's homepage
i didnt actually see any questions :P i saw a statement

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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  11:28:45  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage
Andy: do you really think filesharing THE ONE THING that's hurting hardcore?

I wont deny it's a one of the things in the equation of losses, but it's still not the only one.
is filesharing the reason the bigger labels are picky about the tracks that are going to appear on the CDs? not likely, it will still be pirated.

greed, no money, no real options to buy the music other than importing expensive vinyls, selling labels dont want to sell singles... the list of reason why hardcore's bust is long, but it all roots into, what kind of people are listening to hardcore?

meathed: i was one who blamed people :P


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Edited by - Samination on 2009/06/11 11:34:22
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  11:29:33  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Dogsy's homepage
I have a few mates down my way who are into Hardcore but they just dont explore it enough and mainly go for the stuff that comes to them. Like when theres a hardcore heaven event its mainly the big names playing or they will only hear of the latest bonkers cd when they see the advert.
So I rekon its down to people being lazy and not exploring music they love just expecting it to come there way and only go for artists they know and wait for the next HTID or something to come out. So all these awesome artists are missing out. Its a shame because they put so much heart into the music. I hope they soon get the reconision( cant spell today) they deserve!


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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  11:36:24  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Dogsy:
I have a few mates down my way who are into Hardcore but they just dont explore it enough and mainly go for the stuff that comes to them. Like when theres a hardcore heaven event its mainly the big names playing or they will only hear of the latest bonkers cd when they see the advert.
So I rekon its down to people being lazy and not exploring music they love just expecting it to come there way and only go for artists they know and wait for the next HTID or something to come out. So all these awesome artists are missing out. Its a shame because they put so much heart into the music. I hope they soon get the reconision( cant spell today) they deserve!



Like I said, its all depends on the people who listens to hardcore.
blame filesharing? blame yourself for what kind of crowd you're aiming for.

This makes me think that DJ DNA and DJ Vinylgroover all did the right thing.

And Andy: yes I am pro-filesharing, but not when it comes to hardcore. If it can be bought digitally or CD or it's still actively sold, I wont share it. If it's out of print and vinyl or not actively sold anymore, I will keep sharing it. Who gets any money from 2nd hand sales anyways, except the seller? royalties doesn't exist on 2nd hands, so in any way, filesharing and 2nd hand sales are a loss to the producers, but there's no money in filesharing compared to 2nd hand selling (so... what's more evil?)


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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  12:01:53  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage
I wont try to drag this too long... I like hardcore. Not much the current form of it, but there's still tracks made that I like, but hardcore today isnt the easiest to come buy.

It's nice to see that well known labels like Next Generation (with it's sisterlabel Blatant Beats) releases digital songs at the same ttime as the Vinyls. This means that they want as many people as possible to listen to their music. And they also have almos their complete backcatalogue up on the digital store. That's a large plus for those people who like older hardcore.

Al/DJ Storm, like the NuEnergy Collective, release their digital songs a few month after the vinyl release. This is ofcourse a little letdown for us/those who actually like the music and doesn't bother about it being on mp3 or not. But this propably helps to keep the filesharing down a little so the vinyls will sell

Joey Riot, and basicly the whole Serious Sounds store release digitals before, or on the same day as the vinyl release. And Lethal Theory is supposted to be a great success, even with filesharing counted (atleast in the beginning).

Scott Brown did try it, but he stopped updating his own store after a while. We've all heard his point on filesharing, but who can blame him? he's a large name too, but that still didnt stop Brisk from keeping NG/BB updated with mp3s.

And Hixxy... what ever happened here? He made a big promise with his MP3 store in 2005, and kept saying it's coming and under testing for 2 years. Did he notice the success IMOdownload had in the begining, but felt taht too many people would hear his shitty production? (dont get me wrong, I just dont like his newer stuff)


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Edited by - Samination on 2009/06/11 12:02:55
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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  12:02:13  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Meathead's homepage
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i didnt actually see any questions :P i saw a statement



Exactly. And a statement totally unrelated to filesharing yet that somehow is where this debate eded up. Strange.

What i got from this statement: it's becoming ever more difficult for up and coming producers to get their tracks on compilations/labels.

The conclusion everyone else seemingly arrived at: Oh Noez!!! Filesharing is killing teh scenez!11!!1ONE!!!


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quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i didnt actually see any questions :P i saw a statement



Exactly. And a statement totally unrelated to filesharing yet that somehow is where this debate eded up. Strange.

What i got from this statement: it's becoming ever more difficult for up and coming producers to get their tracks on compilations/labels.

The conclusion everyone else seemingly arrived at: Oh Noez!!! Filesharing is killing teh scenez!11!!1ONE!!!



Even if I didnt mention it, people would still have this in mind.
Silver doesn't like talk about filesharing, understandable, he does run labels too, but if we're not allowed to talk about it, the problem will never be fixed. I know that he knows (eheh) that I've made some (alot of) posts about this, but he hasn't removed them, but I still feel that he could just delete them.
I want to keep discussing it, because I was once just a "leech" who starting buying the music he likes. Heck I even pay loads of money to order music from Japan, but I could buy this locally or digitally, it would save me money i could buy more with


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quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
meathed: i was one who blamed people :P



Well in that case, you're the one to blame!!!

Btw i agree with you about the 2nd hand thing. If a song or whatever cant be bought in a way that directly benifits the original artist/label IE a record is out of stock and cannot be bought diditally, then imo its up for grabs. Look on Hardcoreproducer.org Al storm gave away his CD of Hardcore Underground 2 for free (possibly a huge publicity stunt for the upcoming Hardcore Heaven awards but whatever). It is no longer available to buy in a way that directly benifits the original propriter(sp?) and if bought 2nd hand will only benifit the ebay/discog user you're buying it off so imo why not get it free? ONLY AS A LAST RESORT (for anyone who may accuse me of filesharing)!


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Posted - 2009/06/11 :  12:15:59  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage
I dont mind getting called a filesharing twat any more, because people always think "once a thief, always a thief". But even thiefs can be rehabilitated, but idiots cant :P

Also, I forgot to mention. There are people who actually download complete songs just to sample it. If they like it, they'll buy it when possible, if not they'll just delete the songs. I for one would like this option. The songs doesnt need to be high quality, but I prefer to listen to a song so I could determine if I want it or not (it's not always a 1 minute or 2 minute sample will help)


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