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milo
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 Posted - 2009/08/13 : 18:38:46
I'm still trying to figure out why North American DJs/Producers/MCs continue to stay fixed on the UK anyways (as far as developing a career is concerned). IMO that's our biggest downfall. We have more ravers over here, more parties, and the 'top tier' over here are very accessible and helpful. We just don't have the structure over here because we've been focusing on becoming part of the structure on the other side of the pond. I think working with the different international scenes is key, but as far as working for them? Just some food for thought...
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 07:33:47
maybe its because they dont see any american/canadian DJs getting on any of the big cds...any of the cds?
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Brian K
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 07:40:03
probably due to the fact that there aren't as many well known producers here and most of the big labels are all uk producers. that and hardcore doesn't have as much of a following as dnb, trance & house.
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Dj Sc@r
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 08:16:15
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Originally posted by Brian K:
probably due to the fact that there aren't as many well known producers here and most of the big labels are all uk producers. that and hardcore doesn't have as much of a following as dnb, trance & house.
Milo and Micheal Mansion got tracks on some decent albums. Theres some very good producers coming out of Canada and the states at the moment! even check out synthwulf, some of his stuff is intense plus theres also k12 doing their stuff! Then down Canada you have Dainja whos working extremely hard and Kanibalz Digitalz which supports alot of the local talent, theres some slammers on that label!
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 08:32:10
i dont think anyones saying there arent any GOOD producers there are plenty of good producers stateside - i think brian was saying more along the lines of "well known" i would say essentially he's right..
if you look at any of the cds coming out, the vast overwhelming majority of the producers on them will be british
maybe thats why the cds in the last few years have sucked ;)
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Brian K
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 09:31:53
yup not saying there aren't good producers in the states they just don't seem to get the coverage they deserve.
probably the reason why brak, sunrise, & ac are working in other genres now...also miss the releases from phosphor & justrich
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Mr Manik
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 15:38:31
Something that people seem to have missed out on here as well. If your looking to make a name for yourself in this industry it always helps to be a bit different from everyone else!
Remember there are literally thousands of bedroom warriors out there with dreams of being a mainstream, big room dj. However to truly "make it" you need to bring something new to the table.
If you produce to a high standard, make sure the tunes you are making are unique or different to what is being released at the moment.
I remember back in the early nighties. Scratching was a unique skilled only mastered by a few well known dj's, now every ****er does it and thinks that because they can it makes their set different and perhaps better than the next dj who does it.
No, in todays game, if you want to make a name for yourself, do something fresh that makes you stand out from the rest of the pack.
Oh, and someone else pointed out as well, prepare to kiss and un real amount of ass until you make it, lol!
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 15:48:37
are you sure your talking about hardcore?? lol
if you want to make it big in this scene you do EXACTLY what every other DJ is doing haha.
if you dont conform you get no-where but gain respect from a few in community
if you do conform, you'll find yourself on the next MOS cluland bonkers til i die classics 2010 album and playing alongside some other conformist
as for scratching, every ****er? you think?, cause out of the hundreds of mixes that ive downloaded on here about 2 people have scratched in their mix......
also alot of the vids i see on youtube when it comes to hardcore all the scrath patterns seem to be the same..Sy/Hype style'd
granted, hearing sy's tapes in 1998 got me started on scratchin' but that "ooo i want to sound like sy" was short lived once id learnt how to do it hid way
on an unrelatedish note, 10 years later...my fingers seem to be stiffening..maybe its the weather
this is a worry to me
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Jester MC
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Posted - 2009/08/14 : 17:34:26
first off i did say coaberating in some way, producing a song with someone more known would be a big boost for image, unknown, ufo, and luna-C (not to mention sc@r) all produce to the best of my knowlage no?
also i DONT agree with the book so i can get booked philosophy either, i dont follow it, BUT i KNOW that people think that way IN TORONTO which is strictly where my origonal post was about. just last week a friend of mine booked a dj who also throws parties and THE NEXT DAY he was booked at this DJ's next party, which is looking to have a great turn out, so excuse my friend for doing something wrong? how can you say that?
Now as far as promoting to get a gig, shit sorry. i do do that. i also have the talent to be able to put myself on stage, and if thats big headed im sorry, but someoine has to look out for me. i dont throw, or co-throw i should say, parties strictly for a booking. in fact i do it so that there IS a party, period. nobody throws events with the certain musical taste of the companies im invoved in in the city im in. For instance one is a 19+ Hardstyle company.this did not exsist before hand in my city. Headliners from out of town are booked, the talent level off all the dj's most of whom are in the company and put in thier own money as well, is more than up to par, and people actually come and actually have a good time, which i can give myself some credit for and thats an awesome feeling. i do also get bookings without throwing the party so i dont HAVE to do it for that reason anyway.
now being different is good up to a point if producing, or at least, you should be TRYING to do different things. this being said nothing wrong with trying to make an anthem if thats what your into. to address the canadian producers question. there are plenty good ones. if ya want to talk about kanibalz, Mekurious who runs it i believe is headlining the next party im co-throwing. i think i saw his track #2 behind Endymion on a certain website that i cant recall he's DOPE give em a listen. Frisky and hujib are from Toronto even i think (could be mistaken) but they are definetly canadian...i could go on but its kinda not nessisary...the talent IS hear but the focus IS, milo, away from north america....this is because people would rather hope to get big over seas then be big over hear...there difference is in the thousands, as in the thousands more people who'd come to a BIG show in the UK as opposed to the few hundred or so that come to a 'big' party in the america's..once again NOT the way I operate, but how i see the perception.
the dream over here should NOT be to play over seas, but rather, to work on the scene over here enough that the parties are on par with UK or Austrilia and you can be a "star" by staying in your town.
oh also was not aware that impact and luna-c are living in the states now, kinda makes there names make more sence poping up every couple months. good to know.
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/08/15 : 19:50:59
The music business doesn't know what to do right now. Anyone in any part of the scene who is doing well is doing so as much through luck as design. Considering how CD sales are dropping and will continue to drop as time goes by, I think that is a "success marker" that is soon to be defunct.
In the end, the only real path to "success" is to just keep going. Its largely a matter of holding on when everyone else lets go.
I still think you cant really promote yourself into success. There is always a large element of luck. What you can do is be cool, and sort out those people who look after you. For example, when I did the Kniteforce night in the UK, I had the Goodfellaz over to play for me - they had booked me a number of times, and them playing in the UK helped their career as much as me playing Canada helped mine. I am considering doing parties in the USA, and Dain-Ja would of course be invited to play for the same reasons that the Goodfellaz were (the fact that they are skilled djs aside) which is that you should stand by those who stand by you.
And anyway, how do you measure success? People think I have "made" it, but I get less gigs than Dain-ja I think. I don't get on the mainstream albums - I don't even get on CDJs albums lol. Of course, I did turn down Bonkers, so maybe its my fault? It was my choice though, so I dont see that as a fault where others might.
On the other hand, we are up to around 70,000 request for my podcasts and the website is shifting terrabytes of downloads monthly.
I have no problem with this, though, because I am doing exactly what I want, it makes me happy and satisfied. So I am a success. Its not the same success as, say, Hixxy, but what of that? Different people want different things and that is as it should be. My aim has always been to make the music I like first, money second. And that is what I have achieved. Would I like more money and fame? Maybe, but not enough to do anything differently to what I am doing right now. If it comes, thats fine, but I am not seeking it - I never have. Smart Es was massive, but that was an accident lol.
What I am saying is there is no right way to do it, and no correct definition of success, there is only what you do to get where you want to be. And where you want to be defines the path you take now.
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Dj Sc@r
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 22:24:16
total respect to you chris though! you produce what you want and how you want! your music has always been a inspiration to alot of people (recently drumspeed soloist is steves fav tune and mine is potiental of 9). theres nothing else out there like them in the hardcore world.
Its def a key in promotiong one self - play and produce your sounds and follow your own dream, not someone elses but keep your heart in the right place. Treat others how you would wish to be treated and blagh blagh blagh, you all get the point :)
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CDJay
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Posted - 2009/08/16 : 22:45:28
"I don't get on the mainstream albums - I don't even get on CDJs albums lol"
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silver
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 01:35:26
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Originally posted by Wilky:
kutski is better than peel as far as hardcore and hard dance goes...
Considering Peel is dead you might have a problem there...
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Luna-C
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 03:13:45
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Originally posted by CDJay:
"I don't get on the mainstream albums - I don't even get on CDJs albums lol"
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Lol...I didnt mention that I am a hopeless business man and I hate trying to promote myself - I get too wrapped up in making music to actually do things like send music out. Terrible. Anyway, hit me up with an email CDJ old chap, and I will send you everything new that I have - and you know it wasn't a dig at you tho, right? You have always dealt straight with me, and I have a great deal of respect for what you have been doing! [email protected] btw
Nice one Sc@r - glad you like, and the musical appreciation is returned, as you know :o)
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/08/17 : 19:49:39
I'm actually impressed by this thread. Lots of great posts! I definitely didn't expect that.
As usual, I think Chris is really on point. He's one of the few modest hardcore superstars - just let's the music do the talking.
Its definitely a turning point for producers/engineers/musicians in general. The digital era is upon us and has changed the game forever. I was at a producers' conference in montreal on Saturday and there was a common theme mentioned by all the well-respected, successful speakers: we need to adapt to our ever changing environment.
I don't think any hardcore producer will ever be a "styles" in north America but I highly doubt Chris, Milo or myself want to be like that. I'm pretty sure most north American producers are doing what they do because they want to make music that's different and/or like writing music. Realistically, there's no money in hardcore in north America. The days of Hulla are long gone, so we have no reason to make hardcore unless we just like doing it.
As a promoter, I do my best to get the Canadian scene noticed but its hard to compete with parties that have 5000 attendance.
Anyways, I guess my point is that its nice to know a lot of us aren't in this for money or fame in North America. I'm gonna continue doing what I do and thatll be that.
Chris: can't wait for your sets Friday/Saturday!
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