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Ionosphere
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 Posted - 2009/09/01 : 23:30:49
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Originally posted by m0nKeY:
As with anything, some people have a natural talent for it....
True.
IonoBaby has it in spades - http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/images/IonoBabyProd.mov
....he's not on the team though,'cos he works far too fast for us.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/09/01 : 23:31:55
lol nice vid.
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m0nKeY
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Posted - 2009/09/01 : 23:38:18
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by m0nKeY:
As with anything, some people have a natural talent for it....
True.
IonoBaby has it in spades - http://www.ionosphere.co.uk/images/IonoBabyProd.mov
....he's not on the team though,'cos he works far too fast for us.
Haha, great vid. :P
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 00:00:55
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
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Originally posted by Ukronic:
is music production all about having talent or does inteligence also come in there? what are the big heroes made of?;P
drive.
Everyone can make music, its about how much effort you put into learning the craft.
I am of the firm belief that everyone has music inside of them, it just takes a bit more effort for it to come out.
I agree. I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence personally, everyone can be creative if they learn how to translate it to music or some other art form.
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Shades
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 00:18:13
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
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Originally posted by Ukronic:
is music production all about having talent or does inteligence also come in there? what are the big heroes made of?;P
drive.
Everyone can make music, its about how much effort you put into learning the craft.
I am of the firm belief that everyone has music inside of them, it just takes a bit more effort for it to come out.
I agree. I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence personally, everyone can be creative if they learn how to translate it to music or some other art form.
thats where intelligence comes in, it takes a fair bit of learning before you can use a daw effectively
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 01:12:32
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence personally, everyone can be creative if they learn how to translate it to music or some other art form.
Give a Chimpanzee or an Elephant a paint brush and they'll be 'creative' but it probably won't be a work of art....
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 03:49:15
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence personally, everyone can be creative if they learn how to translate it to music or some other art form.
Give a Chimpanzee or an Elephant a paint brush and they'll be 'creative' but it probably won't be a work of art....
If it makes you happy what else matters?
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Mortis
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 10:12:31
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence personally, everyone can be creative if they learn how to translate it to music or some other art form.
Give a Chimpanzee or an Elephant a paint brush and they'll be 'creative' but it probably won't be a work of art....
It will be to the Chimp or Elephant. Music is in the ear of the beholder, what's good to one might not be good to another. Hence why I agree with Orbit1.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 12:58:13
I think everyone can learn music. I don't think you can learn creativity.
Anyone can learn to write an okay track - but the people who are going to excel are going to be the people who can consistently write above par music. To do that, you need to have some of that creativeness in you.
In saying that though, hardcore is pretty simple musically (for the most part). Its not like we're writing symphonies here.
Theory helps everyone though. Take a look at the best singers of all time. They would have ALL had vocal coaching. Why? Not because they can't sing - but to hone the skills they have. You can't turn a bad singer into a world class singer. But you can turn them into an acceptable singer. It's the same with writing music.
Specifically to the industry though, i think a lot of it is determination and persistence. The people who make it, are the ones who don't give up that HAVE the talent.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 16:24:48
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
If it makes you happy what else matters?
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Music is in the ear of the beholder, what's good to one might not be good to another. Hence why I agree with Orbit1.
I understand what you're saying fellas but that point of view allows for all sorts of rubbish and will, in the end,
lower the standards of all things to the lowest common denominator.
Quality will be lost. Isn't it in the nature of Human Beings to strive for the best. Not just put up with the mediocre?
For example, flies like sh*t but most forms of discerning intelligent life do not.
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Mr Manik
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Posted - 2009/09/02 : 19:57:52
Generally I find that the producer is only as good as the engineer who mixes down his or her track!
I know of a few big time "DJ/Producers" who have created amazing tracks, yet ask them about varying elements of compression, sequencing or even synth creation and they look at you like you've just pissed on their nan.
Look at your favorite records, look at the part that says "engineered by". They are the true creators.
Looking at the whole "creative vs intellect" debate, it's a bit of both. Decent tunes are down to melody. To have a melody that is any good and is something that people remember and enjoy does take a certain amount of creativity, however knowing what key to put it in and understanding the fundamentals of chords does take a degree of intelligence. This is why all hard style is pretty much shit as there's no melody and any knob head can string together some terrible over distorted basslines and hoovers to make a track!
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Posted - 2009/09/03 : 03:16:36
^ ya had me until the hardstyle bit...
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2009/09/03 : 03:16:52
yes but some of those engineers have never really made any "hits" themselves
engineering is a skill but composing is also a skill
Brisk doesn't engineer but you hear "Brisk" right away when you hear a Brisk track, no matter who engineered it.
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Meathead
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 Posted - 2009/09/15 : 19:33:38
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Originally posted by Ukronic:
is music production all about having talent or does inteligence also come in there? what are the big heroes made of?;P
In Uk Hardcore you can get away with having neither quality :p
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