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snerkler
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 Posted - 2009/09/04 : 13:17:37
Well I'm guessing some of you will already know my feelings about this issue. Although I like quite a number of Hardcore tracks of today, it does not compare to the tracks of yesteryear. I agree that the euphoria and atmosphere has gone from a lot of hardcore nowadays (although not all). It seems as though everyone is wanting/producing "pumping" tracks rather than melodic/euphoric tracks.
I was brought up in an era of Uplifting Piano, sexy vocals, and moving strings, all to intresting beats and basslines. This will always be what Happy Hardcore should be in my eyes.
This is probably why Hardcore is just called that these days "Hardcore", and not Happy Hardcore. I'm of the opinion it should be called Hard Trance, or Fast Trance or something like that, but that's just me, and probably best not to start that arguement ;-)
I certainly don't think enough thought and originality is put into tracks these days. A lot are so uninteresting, and literally is just 'thump thump thump'. Bring breakbeat back and complicated beats. Bring back clever off beat stabs and moody strings. Give records some depth again, make it interesting to listen to.
As for comments above, I don't think that Hardcore should be dark per se, although there have been some classic dark hardcore tracks in the past.
And also I disagree that dark or hard tracks can't be emotional/uplifting. I can think of one straight away which is Ghosts, on the flip side of Turn Up the Music (Breeze and Styles remix). This is hard and dark, yet has a wonderful breakdown.
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 13:34:35
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Originally posted by snerkler:
Well I'm guessing some of you will already know my feelings about this issue. Although I like quite a number of Hardcore tracks of today, it does not compare to the tracks of yesteryear. I agree that the euphoria and atmosphere has gone from a lot of hardcore nowadays (although not all). It seems as though everyone is wanting/producing "pumping" tracks rather than melodic/euphoric tracks.
I was brought up in an era of Uplifting Piano, sexy vocals, and moving strings, all to intresting beats and basslines. This will always be what Happy Hardcore should be in my eyes.
Exactly, and actually this is the reason why I started listening to this kind of music.
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Originally posted by snerkler:
This is probably why Hardcore is just called that these days "Hardcore", and not Happy Hardcore. I'm of the opinion it should be called Hard Trance, or Fast Trance or something like that, but that's just me, and probably best not to start that arguement ;-)
I certainly don't think enough thought and originality is put into tracks these days. A lot are so uninteresting, and literally is just 'thump thump thump'. Bring breakbeat back and complicated beats. Bring back clever off beat stabs and moody strings. Give records some depth again, make it interesting to listen to.
And all that made with new technologies, how sexy would that be!! ;-)
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Originally posted by snerkler:
As for comments above, I don't think that Hardcore should be dark per se, although there have been some classic dark hardcore tracks in the past.
And also I disagree that dark or hard tracks can't be emotional/uplifting. I can think of one straight away which is Ghosts, on the flip side of Turn Up the Music (Breeze and Styles remix). This is hard and dark, yet has a wonderful breakdown.
Well I said it comes better when it's dark. The perfect example would be Gabber, which is as you know a dark & hard form of hardcore and as you can see it's the best-known subgenre of Hardcore.
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 14:06:35
emotion in music is about the chord progression
the tempo is completely irrelevant
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Ukronic
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 14:17:04
maybe afro americans will return to hardcore in 2010..theyr doing lots of house now
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 17:34:04
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
emotion in music is about the chord progression
the tempo is completely irrelevant
I disagree slightly here. I don't think tempo is completely irrelevent, but I do not think that it is the be all and end all either. Neither do I think it's just about the chord progression, although it is an important part.
I don't think you can disect it and say that one part of the music makes it emotional, or euphoric or whatever. It's the whole package. It's the way that the different sections are layered and combined together. I here so many great piano lines that are let down by rubbish vocals and/or strings etc. Also I hear so many great vocals, let down by a horrible chord sequence. It's about getting the balance right, and that's what makes a truly great track. It needs depth and thought as well.
What happens a lot today is that people make good breaksdowns, but then forget about the rest of the. It's as though they think, ooh that vocal and synths sound nice, that'll sell well, lets put the rest of the track together as quickly as possible and get this one banged out. Don't get me wrong, there are still a few people who make good quality tracks (Slippery Disco "Feeling high" for eg), but they are getting harder and harder to find. So many now are "quick cheap thrills" :-/
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 18:11:26
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
emotion in music is about the chord progression
the tempo is completely irrelevant
I disagree slightly here. I don't think tempo is completely irrelevent, but I do not think that it is the be all and end all either. Neither do I think it's just about the chord progression, although it is an important part.
I don't think you can disect it and say that one part of the music makes it emotional, or euphoric or whatever. It's the whole package. It's the way that the different sections are layered and combined together. I hear so many great piano lines that are let down by rubbish vocals and/or strings etc. Also I hear so many great vocals, let down by a horrible chord sequence. It's about getting the balance right, and that's what makes a truly great track. It needs depth and thought as well.
What happens a lot today is that people make good breaksdowns, but then forget about the rest of the. It's as though they think, ooh that vocal and synths sound nice, that'll sell well, lets put the rest of the track together as quickly as possible and get this one banged out. Don't get me wrong, there are still a few people who make good quality tracks (Slippery Disco "Feeling high" for eg), but they are getting harder and harder to find. So many now are "quick cheap thrills" :-/
Oops clicked quote rather than edit :-/
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Revs
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 18:26:23
Yeah it's true I know songs with good Breakdowns and horrible mainparts.
And yea I agree, "Feeling High" is such a massive tune !!
However, when you only listen to Hardcore, you might find the tracks very good, euphoric, emotional, etc etc. But when you listen to many different music genres, and I mean when you REALLY listen to other stuff ( like everyday ) you can compare both genres and you clearly see the difference :/
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/04 : 19:49:40
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Yeah it's true I know songs with good Breakdowns and horrible mainparts.
And yea I agree, "Feeling High" is such a massive tune !!
However, when you only listen to Hardcore, you might find the tracks very good, euphoric, emotional, etc etc. But when you listen to many different music genres, and I mean when you REALLY listen to other stuff ( like everyday ) you can compare both genres and you clearly see the difference :/
I Actually listen to a lot of other styles of music, including many different genres of dance, Rap, rock, some jazz and even some classical (not much though ;-)). Plus I consider myself a bit of an audiophile, and I play the piano and guitar, so therefore feel that I have a good background to be able to comment. And yet to me Happy Hardcore is still the most euphoric and uplifting music there is. Euphoric Trance comes a close second but Happy Hardcore's a winner for me.
Having said that the song that's 'got me' the most is Baby D Let me Be your Fantasy. I have to say the vocals to the Theme from Gladiator are very moving as well.
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Excalibur
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Posted - 2009/09/05 : 07:57:23
I liked it better when Hardcore wasn't just a fast version trance, or other genres just at a higher BPM. I know that other genres borrow a lot from each other but back I when first heard it really stood out.
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Fluffbomb
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Posted - 2009/09/07 : 13:05:46
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Originally posted by snerkler:
I certainly don't think enough thought and originality is put into tracks these days. A lot are so uninteresting, and literally is just 'thump thump thump'. Bring breakbeat back and complicated beats. Bring back clever off beat stabs and moody strings. Give records some depth again, make it interesting to listen to.
Yes! But it isn't going to happen as much as I'd love to see Hardcore go back to the days when it mixed up uplifting/Dark/Kickdrums/Breaks/Stabs/Pianos/Bass with all manner of samples from other tracks. Rather than moaning on forums, which gets no where, support the music you like or try and make your own.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2009/09/07 : 17:28:58
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only over the past year - the electro sounds have been infecting hardcore for longer than that i think.
people are obviously running out of ideas, not spending time on the tracks and just churning them out as fast as they can to get as quick a return they can...
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