DJ SCOTT DEVOTION Senior Member
United Kingdom
390 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 17:45:09
Kool topic Snerkler. Nice to chat with people that were there in the day.
I first touched base with the rave scene/acid house scene back in 1989 at a very young age listening to tapes my best mates brother had and the pirate station he used to play on. I was lucky where I lived in Essex as it seemed to be the hub of it all, with labels, shops, artists and many pirate radio stations.
Back in the early 90s, it was so unique, so mysterious going to a rave. I would spend all day on a Saturday working in the local hardcore/rave record shop and then off to a big rave some many miles away. The whole atmosphere of going to a rave then was so much more spectacular than now, just meeting up with people you met in the record shop going and getting a coach or convoy of cars with people from your area was great.
One event I remember was Vision at popham Airfield in 1992, what a great night despite the rain. Just a different vibe from nowadays, so much unity and passion for the music. The raves were in warehouses and rave type venues which created that great underground feel. People used to collect every flyer that was being given out after a rave ready to take home and put up on your wall (if you had any space) left, now the flyers get thrown away. I really miss the passion people had and the days spent in the record store just listening to music and talking to other ravers, that's a big loss to the scene, the lack of vinyl being put out and record stores.
Nowadays I don't have many mates left in the hardcore scene as they all left in the late 90s and early 2000 after there total disgust at the music change lol. I get non stop abuse from them now asking why do I listen to the hardcore crap that's out now, hardcore died in 1998. I still like elements of it nowadays, know where near as much, mainly due to the atmosphere at raves and lack of passion about and also the fact that so called raves are now in nite clubs and bars and do not have much underground feel to them. Still, you have to make the most of it all.
It's a totally different scene to then, it was fresh back then remember so always going to be more intense, everyone had a whistle or horn, you shook hundreds of hands and swapped addys with other ravers. Just wish there was a time capsule people could go back in and see what a rave was like back then, would blow them away, really would.
I have a new label kicking off next month that represents a very old skool flava in the music, which will represent in time sounds and styles of the very early 90s encapsulated in a modern hardcore shell for anyone that interested.
One thing about hardcore nowadays would be good if people supported each other a bit more rather than diss and pick holes out of each other on various forums, never understood that myself, but again its a new era....
Fond memories from back in the day for me: - Dream FM, The Sanctuary, The Edge, Record shops all over the place and pirate radio.
Snerkler - cheers for the links you put up.
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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 17:54:20
ive listened to hardcore new and old for about 5 years now, ive listened to every bonkers, and heard just about every well-known song released since '95...
Personally I cant compare the music... It's changed so much over the years...
Technology has caused this... and it's no ones fault.. its just a 'natural' change that's occured...
but i do believe there was a time where there was more innovation and creativity in hardcore, and I don't think much is being shown, or has been shown within the past 5 years...
Thats my view. Choose to quote, then rip it to shreds if you wish.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 19:01:28
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
ive listened to hardcore new and old for about 5 years now, ive listened to every bonkers, and heard just about every well-known song released since '95...
Personally I cant compare the music... It's changed so much over the years...
Technology has caused this... and it's no ones fault.. its just a 'natural' change that's occured...
but i do believe there was a time where there was more innovation and creativity in hardcore, and I don't think much is being shown, or has been shown within the past 5 years...
Thats my view. Choose to quote, then rip it to shreds if you wish.
I shit on this post! lol j/k
i totally agree with you. ppl complain so much on how the music has changed so much in the past whatever yrs, but that is what music does is it changes. that is in every genre. i'd be completely bored of hardcore if after 10 years it sounded EXACTLY the same, and I would find some other new and interesting genre of EDM.
btw I've been aware of electronic music since early 90s but I didn't know about happy hardcore and the rest of hardcore until 1999.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 19:15:35
quote:Originally posted by DJ SCOTT DEVOTION:
One event I remember was Vision at popham Airfield in 1992, what a great night despite the rain. Just a different vibe from nowadays, so much unity and passion for the music. The raves were in warehouses and rave type venues which created that great underground feel. People used to collect every flyer that was being given out after a rave ready to take home and put up on your wall (if you had any space) left, now the flyers get thrown away. I really miss the passion people had and the days spent in the record store just listening to music and talking to other ravers, that's a big loss to the scene, the lack of vinyl being put out and record stores.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,281 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 19:25:05
if Hardcore never had split into Happy Hardcore, I wouldnt know what I'd be listening to know, so I guess I should be happy that Hardcore/Oldschool (which I dont like) existed in the first place
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catjam Senior Member
United Kingdom
407 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 19:43:27
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
ive listened to hardcore new and old for about 5 years now, ive listened to every bonkers, and heard just about every well-known song released since '95...
Personally I cant compare the music... It's changed so much over the years...
Technology has caused this... and it's no ones fault.. its just a 'natural' change that's occured...
but i do believe there was a time where there was more innovation and creativity in hardcore, and I don't think much is being shown, or has been shown within the past 5 years...
Thats my view. Choose to quote, then rip it to shreds if you wish.
I shit on this post! lol j/k
i totally agree with you. ppl complain so much on how the music has changed so much in the past whatever yrs, but that is what music does is it changes. that is in every genre. i'd be completely bored of hardcore if after 10 years it sounded EXACTLY the same, and I would find some other new and interesting genre of EDM.
btw I've been aware of electronic music since early 90s but I didn't know about happy hardcore and the rest of hardcore until 1999.
ppl aren`t complaining because Hardcore has changed
they are complaining about what its changed into....there is a difference
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
5,000 posts Joined: Apr, 2008
Posted - 2009/10/04 : 20:44:10
quote:Originally posted by catjam:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
ive listened to hardcore new and old for about 5 years now, ive listened to every bonkers, and heard just about every well-known song released since '95...
Personally I cant compare the music... It's changed so much over the years...
Technology has caused this... and it's no ones fault.. its just a 'natural' change that's occured...
but i do believe there was a time where there was more innovation and creativity in hardcore, and I don't think much is being shown, or has been shown within the past 5 years...
Thats my view. Choose to quote, then rip it to shreds if you wish.
I shit on this post! lol j/k
i totally agree with you. ppl complain so much on how the music has changed so much in the past whatever yrs, but that is what music does is it changes. that is in every genre. i'd be completely bored of hardcore if after 10 years it sounded EXACTLY the same, and I would find some other new and interesting genre of EDM.
btw I've been aware of electronic music since early 90s but I didn't know about happy hardcore and the rest of hardcore until 1999.
ppl aren`t complaining because Hardcore has changed
they are complaining about what its changed into....there is a difference
Personally, I think its changed into what it should have done, and the tunes are reasonably good, but only a few really stand out.
Songs are more than a kick, bass, vocal and saw... it needs an artists creative andinnovative flare to make the song special. top tier producers like styles and brisk need to learn that.. yeah they've produced good and successful songs in the past, but styles has turned his music into simplistic pieces of commercial rubbish, and brisk is recycling samples over, and over again...
There are those, however, who beam with talent. Auscore, Entity, CLSM, Naggy, Eufeion to name a few. Though I sometimes feel they are limited by what label owners want... And that is a tune that sounds similar to every other tune, because those other tunes sell...
Not too many people are trying much different. Big up to Auscore - Here we go... awesome tune.
snerkler Senior Member
United Kingdom
461 posts Joined: Aug, 2008
Posted - 2009/10/05 : 08:46:21
quote:Originally posted by DJ SCOTT DEVOTION:
Just a different vibe from nowadays, so much unity and passion for the music. The raves were in warehouses and rave type venues which created that great underground feel. People used to collect every flyer that was being given out after a rave ready to take home and put up on your wall (if you had any space) left, now the flyers get thrown away. I really miss the passion people had and the days spent in the record store just listening to music and talking to other ravers, that's a big loss to the scene, the lack of vinyl being put out and record stores.
It's a totally different scene to then, it was fresh back then remember so always going to be more intense, everyone had a whistle or horn, you shook hundreds of hands and swapped addys with other ravers. Just wish there was a time capsule people could go back in and see what a rave was like back then, would blow them away, really would.
I miss all this too, it's a shame things have to change, but that's just the way of the world I'm afraid
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Jay-Nitro Junior Member
United Kingdom
139 posts Joined: Oct, 2009
Posted - 2009/10/05 : 09:03:32
my first tape was from the afterdark in sunderland from bout 92 when i was 13, dj excel mc g-force 'undisputed champions. didnt know anything about it back then, the music was kind of hard techno'ish..couple years later it was alot of eurodance italian stuff with belgium and dutch harder stuff creeping in the background until the hardcore/bouncy techno got a grip on everything around 94/95. the north east was always bit diff 2 the rest of the country, up north scotland was 100% hardcore, down south more what we would call pots n pans with the happy hardcore which seemed 2 loose its direction. we had a wide variety from english - german - dutch - italian and most recent through the 00's spanish makina. for me and many others the best years were 93-97/98 with the REAL all nighters, real music an more importantly real ravers (before it became like a fashion status). . . . . . .it was curtains for our last notorious all nighter in 2006 and the scenes struggled since but the last 12 month have had a few more peaks than the previous couple of years. allthough the last 10 years the tools of the trade for me have been predominantly spanish and ive enjoyed every minute of it id have given it all up 2 have been dj'ing back in the hay day when it was all fresh and new, everyone had such a diff attitude, no hassle no arseholes no problems.....all in all no worrys just a good time
DJ SCOTT DEVOTION Senior Member
United Kingdom
390 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2009/10/05 : 19:57:40
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by DJ SCOTT DEVOTION:
One event I remember was Vision at popham Airfield in 1992, what a great night despite the rain. Just a different vibe from nowadays, so much unity and passion for the music. The raves were in warehouses and rave type venues which created that great underground feel. People used to collect every flyer that was being given out after a rave ready to take home and put up on your wall (if you had any space) left, now the flyers get thrown away. I really miss the passion people had and the days spent in the record store just listening to music and talking to other ravers, that's a big loss to the scene, the lack of vinyl being put out and record stores.
Was this the rave in Popham airfield?
Brilliant Smoogie, that is the one!! you can feel the hype in the crowd cueing to get in to the event, the whole things was just mystical back then, so so different from going out now. Such a dam shame!!
As Snerkler says things move on and change. I go red in the face telling new ravers I talk to when I play out about the old days lol, just wish there was that time capsule so they could actually see the difference.
I was lucky in 1993 when the split started I liked both the darkside and the happy bouncy side, so would be at a rave listening to seduction then right after without moving listening to bukem or dj ss.
Snerkler so what ma2 jacket did you have? did not ever raver go to an event in a ma2 or something with a record bag lol, ready to stuff all the flyers in after the event.
Anyone go to castle donnington - One step beyond? That was a milestone event.
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