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snerkler
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 Posted - 2009/09/22 : 10:44:05
Does this not just typify the oldskool sound?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zwm0rmcohni/DJ's%20Take%20Control%20clip.mp3
I love this sound, does anyone know how to re-create it on reason, or know if there are any reason refills with oldskool stuff on?
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 10:51:48
To be honest I'm not sure you'd be able to recreate that stab, best to sample it. I'm pretty sure I've got it sampled somewhere. Not sure if you can use samples in Reason though.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 11:33:35
Sexual stab. You would probably be able to get something that resembles the sound within reason, although the trick would be finding out how the stab was made to begin with, which as you can guess is virtually impossible. If you want the sample i have various samples of it. Although are you going for originality? If so than i can agree with that since i don't like sampling either.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 12:56:09
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
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snerkler
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 13:03:59
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Sexual stab. You would probably be able to get something that resembles the sound within reason, although the trick would be finding out how the stab was made to begin with, which as you can guess is virtually impossible. If you want the sample i have various samples of it. Although are you going for originality? If so than i can agree with that since i don't like sampling either.
What I really want is to start creating my own stuff but very much in the oldskool sound. I think I might suggest to propellerhead that they release an oldskool refill for reason. I want all the old kick and snare sounds as well to recreate that oldskool breakbeat.
However, I would love to remix DJ's Take control so if you do have any samples you can send me I'd really appreciate it :-)
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 13:08:13
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
Many thanks, I'll try to decipher that later
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 13:33:22
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
Many thanks, I'll try to decipher that later
If you get stuck with owt just post again with whatever the problem is. I don't use Reason but will try and help if i can mate.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 14:19:22
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
Many thanks, I'll try to decipher that later
If you get stuck with owt just post again with whatever the problem is. I don't use Reason but will try and help if i can mate.
Cheers mate, much appreciated. What do you use?
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 14:24:48
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
Many thanks, I'll try to decipher that later
If you get stuck with owt just post again with whatever the problem is. I don't use Reason but will try and help if i can mate.
Cheers mate, much appreciated. What do you use?
Cubase 5. Main sytnh of choice being Sylenth. I don't think that can be used in Reason, can it?
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 14:47:34
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
Many thanks, I'll try to decipher that later
If you get stuck with owt just post again with whatever the problem is. I don't use Reason but will try and help if i can mate.
Cheers mate, much appreciated. What do you use?
Cubase 5. Main sytnh of choice being Sylenth. I don't think that can be used in Reason, can it?
I'm not sure to be honest. I'm only just getting back into it. Bought all the gear but then been living at the wife's for the past 18 months (long story). Anyway, as of Friday we'll be back living at mine (Wife's house now sold, 1 down 1 to go) and so can finally spend some time getting stuck into it. I am running it alongside cubase studio 4, but not had chance at looking at that yet.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 14:50:42
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Originally posted by snerkler:
I think I might suggest to propellerhead that they release an oldskool refill for reason.
I know the Slipmatt & Billy Bunter sample CD has refills in it but not using Reason myself I can't tell you if they have any sounds your after.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 15:06:16
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Try this...
"Yeah those stabs are a sample you can do something similar in a synth using a major chord with 3 oscillators tune 0, +7 and +12 then try different waveforms out. Also have the amp envelope doing the classic stab thingy with the attack at 0, decay to taste, sustain 0 and release around the same setting as the decay or a little lower hopefully that makes sense"
Taken from a reply i got on Dubstepforum from Chewie @ http://www.dubstepforum.com/topic91539-80.html
It won't recreate exactly the sound you are after but will come close to that old skool stab sound.
I've just had a quick go at this and you can get some OK sounding stabs. I got the sound used in the intro of Jiiieehaaaa by Diss Reaction down perfectly too.
I tried putting another layer on and it's getting some interesting results. I think a few other layers would be needed on top of it to get that stab sound.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 15:50:11
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Cubase 5. Main sytnh of choice being Sylenth. I don't think that can be used in Reason, can it?
I'm not sure to be honest. I'm only just getting back into it. Bought all the gear but then been living at the wife's for the past 18 months (long story). Anyway, as of Friday we'll be back living at mine (Wife's house now sold, 1 down 1 to go) and so can finally spend some time getting stuck into it. I am running it alongside cubase studio 4, but not had chance at looking at that yet.
From what i've heard Reason is limited to the included VSTs, but, again from what i've heard, they are pretty darn good. Either way the synths in Reason should be perfectly capable of recreate these sounds same as most other synths, just a case of figuring out hw to work em i guess.
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I've just had a quick go at this and you can get some OK sounding stabs. I got the sound used in the intro of Jiiieehaaaa by Diss Reaction down perfectly too.
I tried putting another layer on and it's getting some interesting results. I think a few other layers would be needed on top of it to get that stab sound.
Aye, discovered that too, should have mentioned but i forgot. Layering is key to this sound. As is after FX, Saturation, Bitcrushing, Chorus, etc Also different chords, not just major. Depending on the context they are in, both can sound great.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 15:58:08
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Originally posted by Meathead:
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Originally posted by snerkler:
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Originally posted by Meathead:
Cubase 5. Main sytnh of choice being Sylenth. I don't think that can be used in Reason, can it?
I'm not sure to be honest. I'm only just getting back into it. Bought all the gear but then been living at the wife's for the past 18 months (long story). Anyway, as of Friday we'll be back living at mine (Wife's house now sold, 1 down 1 to go) and so can finally spend some time getting stuck into it. I am running it alongside cubase studio 4, but not had chance at looking at that yet.
From what i've heard Reason is limited to the included VSTs, but, again from what i've heard, they are pretty darn good. Either way the synths in Reason should be perfectly capable of recreate these sounds same as most other synths, just a case of figuring out hw to work em i guess.
quote:
Originally posted by Mortis:
I've just had a quick go at this and you can get some OK sounding stabs. I got the sound used in the intro of Jiiieehaaaa by Diss Reaction down perfectly too.
I tried putting another layer on and it's getting some interesting results. I think a few other layers would be needed on top of it to get that stab sound.
Aye, discovered that too, should have mentioned but i forgot. Layering is key to this sound. As is after FX, Saturation, Bitcrushing, Chorus, etc Also different chords, not just major. Depending on the context they are in, both can sound great.
Defiantly. Sounds to me like it's a piano and maybe some kind or organ.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 16:05:36
well in those days they all robbed the breakbeats from hiphop. i think the one in the top you can hear at the start of London Posse 'Jump Around' (Censored Mix)
the stabs, no idea. probably just sampled from another rave record. it was all just about robbing them days.
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Posted - 2009/09/22 : 16:46:43
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Defiantly. Sounds to me like it's a piano and maybe some kind or organ.
Ha, was thinking that before. I tried pitching down a piano and it sounded quite close. May well have been. We need to find the chap who first used one of these stabs and ask make him reveal his secrets
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