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England got no chance of winning it. They are the Aston Villa of international football, boring, dull and mediocre. There are so many better teams.
Argentina would of won it in my opinion if they actually had a manager who could manage. The Netherlands or Spain will win it though that much I can guarantee.


Argentina will win it, because of Maradona, not because hes a good coach or manager, hes far from it, but its just written in th stars! they struggled to qualify, hes got his problems, but I just sense it! England have no chance when it reaches the finl stages becasue they are as you put it Villa!



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Fergie says the US is going to do well so we're gonna win it! =P

really hope that the dutch can pull off a world cup win. as much as england sat back today against mexico in the first half I can see a good team knocking them out easily.


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England are more like Everton..

Moment of promise as they shoot up there with the better teams, then fall back down and struggle to qualify.

And when was the last time Everton won anything...


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Holland won't get any where near the cup, they defend as badly as we do, if not worse.



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Leave villa out of it and were far from boring or mediorce,maybe you's should look at the state of your own teams before commenting on others!

And back to the world cup i'm going to back serbia as outsiders,they had a good qualifying campaign and you never know what might happen but i'm struggling who to back as the proper team,i'm in 2 minds wether to do argentina because of maradonna but i don't know,but anyways i want italy to win it cause after ireland italys my team


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I'm sorry but I do watch a LOT of football and the only matches that I can remember this season from Aston Villa is the 6-4 against Blackburn(?) and the 7-1 hammering from Chelsea. Other than that they've been pretty dull this season.

As for the state of the team that I support; It's doing pretty well.


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Villa do play awful football, they're more about athleticism than flair.



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Yeah, Villa this season have been solid, but uninspiring. In 2008/2009 season, they were far more entertaining. Scored a lot more goals. Get Heskey the f**k out of the that team. The guy couldn't even score fifteen goals a season in The Championship. Let alone The Premiership. And, even more so, let alone The World Cup.

If Heskey is on that plane, it will be a travesty. And if it is at the expense of someone like Darren Bent, then it's a complete tragedy. "But Heskey can put himself about and hold it up". Carlton Cole can do that, Kevin Davies can do that, Bobby Zamora can do that. A number of English strikers can do that. But they're are all sub-standard players, and Heskey is no better than any of them. Worse than most, in fact. And why do we want someone like that in the team? If we can't beat teams properly, then we stick Big Emile on in the 70th minute and lump it up there? B*ll*cks. Who wants to win like that?

Crouch can player a similar role to Heskey. He's good in the air, and IF we feel the need to go more direct, Crouch can perform well in this role. Aside from that - Crouch has an astonishing scoring record for England, and he has the most under-rated close control and touch out of anyone in The Premiership. His ability to keep the ball, his close control, first time lay-offs - very, very high-quality.

There are a lot of reasons why we have a slim chance of winning The World Cup. Being one of the least technically adept teams in the competition is one of them. Our slow, plodding, basic football is quite embarrassing to watch compared with the South American's and the rest of the teams in Europe.

John Terry is not a good defender. He's strong in the air, and he likes to run around fouling people. He will come undone, quite easily, if we get to the quarter-finals and beyond. He's not quick enough, and isn't an accurate tackler.

Rio is quite a classy defender on his day. He's had an unfortunate season with persistent injuries, and not a proper, extended run in the team. He will need to concentrate, resist trying to carry the ball forwards himself, and keep his passing basic. He's not dominant in the air. I personally think Rio should be used in a sweeping role. I think he'd be very effective.

Ledley King. Now, I have been very anti King for a good few seasons. I've had him down as a clumsy oaf. A superior Titus Bramble, if you will. I think I'm wrong about that, now. I watched him quite closely in the last five games of the season, and I can now see that he's a very, very good defender. If he's fit, he should partner Rio. His heading, his blocking, his awkward-to-clear-but-always-gets-it-away-safely, his fast-paced-running-back-tackles - he's got it all.

Michael Dawson. Had an enormous season. Excellent passer, great technique. Strong in the air. Very, in fact. Not quite as fast as Ledley. I'd be more confident with him in the team than Terry. With these two playing for the same club, and if Ledley's sodding injuries improve - these two could be the England centre-backs of choice for the next major tournemount (with Rio now 31).

Ashley Cole will be excellent. I think he's a pr*ck, but he's a top, top football player. Him, Evra, Bale. Top three in The Premiership this season. High energy, good snappy tackler, gets forward, good delivery, can carry it. He's good.

Glenn. What a powerful man. Shame he can't defend to save his life. Strong, if not slightly clumsy, going forward. Will get away with it against weaker teams. That said - how many weak teams are there at The World Cup? Not many.

Midfield. Gerrard has had a poor season. Liverpool haven't under performed. I think with the squad they've got, seventh is about right for them. Gerrard should have left three or four years ago. He's been dragged down by that team, but has still shown an uncharacteristic lack of drive. I don't think he should play. He never performs well for England. Milner and Lampard are the men in form. I think forcing Lampard to play defensively to accomodate Gerrard further up the pitch is a bad idea. Lampard is so staggeringly reliable (to perform, as well as score goals) it's unbelievable. He should play along side Milner, who's had a strong season, and is a terrific all-round player. I had a bet with a colleague in 2006 that in the future Milner would be the England captain one day. I'm getting closer to that twenty quid each season (although Rooney is pretty stiff competition). I'm hoping Capello doesn't, in trying to accommodate him, play Gerrard on the left. He can't play there. At all. And it's ridiculous to ask him too. We should probably stick with Joe Cole on the left. Not as dynamic as he used to be, but he'll do a job, and probably the best option. I thought Downing was unlucky to not get in the squad. Adam Johnson. Not this kid is seriously good. Woolcott, Lennon, Wright-Phillips. All a bit "mah" really. Lennon and Phillips have both had, at some point, exceptional seasons, and periods of form. They're not doing it at the moment. Woolcott - I'd agree with Chris Waddle to an extent - I'm not sure he does have the best footballing brain. To suggest he doesn't have one at all is a bit harsh, but he does need to dramatically improve his decisions. He could be a great player. So back to Johnson. Don't play him on the left because he's left footed. Play him on the right because he likes it there, and he's ****ing good there.

Rooney and Crouch upfront.

I'd go for Joe Hart in goal. I'll disagree with what was said in the opening post. I would say that David James is most definitely renowned for his athleticism and flexibility. But, as you rightly say, and as everyone knows, he makes big mistakes, in big games. It's too much of a risk. Green is a superb shot-stop, and strong in one-on-one situations. Dealing with crosses though - God, he's awful. Flapping around. Hart is strong all round.

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Yeah, Villa this season have been solid, but uninspiring. In 2008/2009 season, they were far more entertaining. Scored a lot more goals. Get Heskey the f**k out of the that team. The guy couldn't even score fifteen goals a season in The Championship. Let alone The Premiership. And, even more so, let alone The World Cup.

If Heskey is on that plane, it will be a travesty. And if it is at the expense of someone like Darren Bent, then it's a complete tragedy. "But Heskey can put himself about and hold it up". Carlton Cole can do that, Kevin Davies can do that, Bobby Zamora can do that. A number of English strikers can do that. But they're are all sub-standard players, and Heskey is no better than any of them. Worse than most, in fact. And why do we want someone like that in the team? If we can't beat teams properly, then we stick Big Emile on in the 70th minute and lump it up there? B*ll*cks. Who wants to win like that?

Crouch can player a similar role to Heskey. He's good in the air, and IF we feel the need to go more direct, Crouch can perform well in this role. Aside from that - Crouch has an astonishing scoring record for England, and he has the most under-rated close control and touch out of anyone in The Premiership. His ability to keep the ball, his close control, first time lay-offs - very, very high-quality.

There are a lot of reasons why we have a slim chance of winning The World Cup. Being one of the least technically adept teams in the competition is one of them. Our slow, plodding, basic football is quite embarrassing to watch compared with the South American's and the rest of the teams in Europe.

John Terry is not a good defender. He's strong in the air, and he likes to run around fouling people. He will come undone, quite easily, if we get to the quarter-finals and beyond. He's not quick enough, and isn't an accurate tackler.

Rio is quite a classy defender on his day. He's had an unfortunate season with persistent injuries, and not a proper, extended run in the team. He will need to concentrate, resist trying to carry the ball forwards himself, and keep his passing basic. He's not dominant in the air. I personally think Rio should be used in a sweeping role. I think he'd be very effective.

Ledley King. Now, I have been very anti King for a good few seasons. I've had him down as a clumsy oaf. A superior Titus Bramble, if you will. I think I'm wrong about that, now. I watched him quite closely in the last five games of the season, and I can now see that he's a very, very good defender. If he's fit, he should partner Rio. His heading, his blocking, his awkward-to-clear-but-always-gets-it-away-safely, his fast-paced-running-back-tackles - he's got it all.

Michael Dawson. Had an enormous season. Excellent passer, great technique. Strong in the air. Very, in fact. Not quite as fast as Ledley. I'd be more confident with him in the team than Terry. With these two playing for the same club, and if Ledley's sodding injuries improve - these two could be the England centre-backs of choice for the next major tournemount (with Rio now 31).

Ashley Cole will be excellent. I think he's a pr*ck, but he's a top, top football player. Him, Evra, Bale. Top three in The Premiership this season. High energy, good snappy tackler, gets forward, good delivery, can carry it. He's good.

Glenn. What a powerful man. Shame he can't defend to save his life. Strong, if not slightly clumsy, going forward. Will get away with it against weaker teams. That said - how many weak teams are there at The World Cup? Not many.

Midfield. Gerrard has had a poor season. Liverpool haven't under performed. I think with the squad they've got, seventh is about right for them. Gerrard should have left three or four years ago. He's been dragged down by that team, but has still shown an uncharacteristic lack of drive. I don't think he should play. He never performs well for England. Milner and Lampard are the men in form. I think forcing Lampard to play defensively to accomodate Gerrard further up the pitch is a bad idea. Lampard is so staggeringly reliable (to perform, as well as score goals) it's unbelievable. He should play along side Milner, who's had a strong season, and is a terrific all-round player. I had a bet with a colleague in 2006 that in the future Milner would be the England captain one day. I'm getting closer to that twenty quid each season (although Rooney is pretty stiff competition). I'm hoping Capello doesn't, in trying to accommodate him, play Gerrard on the left. He can't play there. At all. And it's ridiculous to ask him too. We should probably stick with Joe Cole on the left. Not as dynamic as he used to be, but he'll do a job, and probably the best option. I thought Downing was unlucky to not get in the squad. Adam Johnson. Now this kid is seriously good. Woolcott, Lennon, Wright-Phillips. All a bit "mah" really. Lennon and Phillips have both had, at some point, exceptional seasons, and periods of form. They're not doing it at the moment. Woolcott - I'd agree with Chris Waddle to an extent - I'm not sure he does have the best footballing brain. To suggest he doesn't have one at all is a bit harsh, but he does need to dramatically improve his decisions. He could be a great player. So back to Johnson. Don't play him on the left because he's left footed. Play him on the right because he likes it there, and he's ****ing good there.

Rooney and Crouch upfront.

I'd go for Joe Hart in goal. I'll disagree with what was said in the opening post. I would say that David James is most definitely renowned for his athleticism and flexibility. But, as you rightly say, and as everyone knows, he makes big mistakes, in big games. It's too much of a risk. Green is a superb shot-stop, and strong in one-on-one situations. Dealing with crosses though - God, he's awful. Flapping around. Hart is strong all round.

Bit long. Sorry. Bored at work.



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Yeah, Villa this season have been solid, but uninspiring. In 2008/2009 season, they were far more entertaining. Scored a lot more goals. Get Heskey the f**k out of the that team. The guy couldn't even score fifteen goals a season in The Championship. Let alone The Premiership. And, even more so, let alone The World Cup.

If Heskey is on that plane, it will be a travesty. And if it is at the expense of someone like Darren Bent, then it's a complete tragedy. "But Heskey can put himself about and hold it up". Carlton Cole can do that, Kevin Davies can do that, Bobby Zamora can do that. A number of English strikers can do that. But they're are all sub-standard players, and Heskey is no better than any of them. Worse than most, in fact. And why do we want someone like that in the team? If we can't beat teams properly, then we stick Big Emile on in the 70th minute and lump it up there? B*ll*cks. Who wants to win like that?

Crouch can player a similar role to Heskey. He's good in the air, and IF we feel the need to go more direct, Crouch can perform well in this role. Aside from that - Crouch has an astonishing scoring record for England, and he has the most under-rated close control and touch out of anyone in The Premiership. His ability to keep the ball, his close control, first time lay-offs - very, very high-quality.

There are a lot of reasons why we have a slim chance of winning The World Cup. Being one of the least technically adept teams in the competition is one of them. Our slow, plodding, basic football is quite embarrassing to watch compared with the South American's and the rest of the teams in Europe.

John Terry is not a good defender. He's strong in the air, and he likes to run around fouling people. He will come undone, quite easily, if we get to the quarter-finals and beyond. He's not quick enough, and isn't an accurate tackler.

Rio is quite a classy defender on his day. He's had an unfortunate season with persistent injuries, and not a proper, extended run in the team. He will need to concentrate, resist trying to carry the ball forwards himself, and keep his passing basic. He's not dominant in the air. I personally think Rio should be used in a sweeping role. I think he'd be very effective.

Ledley King. Now, I have been very anti King for a good few seasons. I've had him down as a clumsy oaf. A superior Titus Bramble, if you will. I think I'm wrong about that, now. I watched him quite closely in the last five games of the season, and I can now see that he's a very, very good defender. If he's fit, he should partner Rio. His heading, his blocking, his awkward-to-clear-but-always-gets-it-away-safely, his fast-paced-running-back-tackles - he's got it all.

Michael Dawson. Had an enormous season. Excellent passer, great technique. Strong in the air. Very, in fact. Not quite as fast as Ledley. I'd be more confident with him in the team than Terry. With these two playing for the same club, and if Ledley's sodding injuries improve - these two could be the England centre-backs of choice for the next major tournemount (with Rio now 31).

Ashley Cole will be excellent. I think he's a pr*ck, but he's a top, top football player. Him, Evra, Bale. Top three in The Premiership this season. High energy, good snappy tackler, gets forward, good delivery, can carry it. He's good.

Glenn. What a powerful man. Shame he can't defend to save his life. Strong, if not slightly clumsy, going forward. Will get away with it against weaker teams. That said - how many weak teams are there at The World Cup? Not many.

Midfield. Gerrard has had a poor season. Liverpool haven't under performed. I think with the squad they've got, seventh is about right for them. Gerrard should have left three or four years ago. He's been dragged down by that team, but has still shown an uncharacteristic lack of drive. I don't think he should play. He never performs well for England. Milner and Lampard are the men in form. I think forcing Lampard to play defensively to accomodate Gerrard further up the pitch is a bad idea. Lampard is so staggeringly reliable (to perform, as well as score goals) it's unbelievable. He should play along side Milner, who's had a strong season, and is a terrific all-round player. I had a bet with a colleague in 2006 that in the future Milner would be the England captain one day. I'm getting closer to that twenty quid each season (although Rooney is pretty stiff competition). I'm hoping Capello doesn't, in trying to accommodate him, play Gerrard on the left. He can't play there. At all. And it's ridiculous to ask him too. We should probably stick with Joe Cole on the left. Not as dynamic as he used to be, but he'll do a job, and probably the best option. I thought Downing was unlucky to not get in the squad. Adam Johnson. Not this kid is seriously good. Woolcott, Lennon, Wright-Phillips. All a bit "mah" really. Lennon and Phillips have both had, at some point, exceptional seasons, and periods of form. They're not doing it at the moment. Woolcott - I'd agree with Chris Waddle to an extent - I'm not sure he does have the best footballing brain. To suggest he doesn't have one at all is a bit harsh, but he does need to dramatically improve his decisions. He could be a great player. So back to Johnson. Don't play him on the left because he's left footed. Play him on the right because he likes it there, and he's ****ing good there.

Rooney and Crouch upfront.

I'd go for Joe Hart in goal. I'll disagree with what was said in the opening post. I would say that David James is most definitely renowned for his athleticism and flexibility. But, as you rightly say, and as everyone knows, he makes big mistakes, in big games. It's too much of a risk. Green is a superb shot-stop, and strong in one-on-one situations. Dealing with crosses though - God, he's awful. Flapping around. Hart is strong all round.

Bit long. Sorry. Bored at work.



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Villa do play awful football, they're more about athleticism than flair.



Correct. It's a typical O'Neil team: Put the ball down the channels or lump it to the big man up front (Carew or Heskey). Very one dimensional, and very boring to watch. He done exactly the same thing when he the manager at Celtic, except he had an even greater reliance on lumping it to either Hartson or Sutton.


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I think people underestimate the effect Heskey has on the team, he occupies 2 defenders on his own and creates loads of space for people like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Lennon etc. I'd love it if a goalscorer like Crouch or Cole could do the same, but they really can't. Cole isn't in good form, and Crouch doesn't seem to be able to jump without flailing his arms around and giving away free kicks. I agree about Bent though, he has a better scoring record this season than Defoe, and is a much cleverer striker. I rate Defoe, but at the moment I think I'd rather see Bent on the plane.

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I think people underestimate the effect Heskey has on the team, he occupies 2 defenders on his own and creates loads of space for people like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Lennon etc. I'd love it if a goalscorer like Crouch or Cole could do the same, but they really can't. Cole isn't in good form, and Crouch doesn't seem to be able to jump without flailing his arms around and giving away free kicks. I agree about Bent though, he has a better scoring record this season than Defoe, and is a much cleverer striker. I rate Defoe, but at the moment I think I'd rather see Bent on the plane.



this is what I explained about 3 times yesterday to mates... Yeah he's getting on and 'doesnt score many', but he's a great deep lying forward who has the intelligence to play Rooney in.

Crouch doesnt convince me at all really, and I'm a spurs fan.

His goal against Mexico was offside, handball and random.

He went to header it, but his head didnt even move haha!


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Awful match, to think serbia beat japan 3-0 only 2months ago.

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Awful match, to think serbia beat japan 3-0 only 2months ago.



lampard, heskey and walcott are all useless...

we looked unsure, without confidence and had no discipline. we didnt take the Japanese seriously and still won...


Because we won, I dare say we'll play the same against the England B Squad on the 12th in the World Cup....


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