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HellNegative
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 Posted - 2010/06/11 : 01:49:52
lol. DubStep/Hardstyle diva syndrome is what happens when a Dj who plays DNB or HardCore changes genres because their genre isnt as popular anymore (genre change is acceptable for the love of the music, I play anything personally....except dubstep), gets popular, and thinks that they are better than every other dj around because the underage crowd loves them!
As a producer, I love to hear when someone puts work into remixing a track. I get more joy out of that than hearing someone just play it from drop to drop.
As a listener, the scratch and mixing styles is what got me into DJ'ing in the first place and what pulled me in to the scene. I could go to a club and hear tracks get played back to back or I could go to an event to hear something a little bit more.
What this thread boils down to is, everyone has their own opinion of what they like to hear. But pleasing the crowd doesn't make you a good DJ, it only makes you a good looking stage prop behind the overcomplicated jukebox sitting in front of you!
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 01:58:43
Jesus christ, you like dubstep, you prefer human disc changers to real DJs.... are you scared of complexity?
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Brian K
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 02:32:19
someone who can mix two tunes together without any clashing synths and without making it sound like shoes in a dryer consecutively for an hour would be a start for a good dj.
music choice is a variable dependent on the listener/s.
imo most edm djs aren't djs, they are human jukeboxes.
but according to meathead's videos, as long as you can bring in thousands of people and f*ck up a set...you're a super star!
would love to see oakensuck try his hand at dmc =P
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HellNegative
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 02:47:45
I like that guy... ^^
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Meathead
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 06:22:50
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
Jesus christ, you like dubstep, you prefer human disc changers to real DJs.... are you scared of complexity?
No. But thanks for your concern.
Someone who's into Hardcore claiming Dubstep is simple to make or mix (it might be on Virtual DJ i wouldn't know). You've no idea do you child?
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kathryn
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 10:17:07
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
what is a DJ if he can't scratch
scratch cant scratch...cant cant scratch
lol we all know they need to scratch if necessary 
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Samination
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 10:42:10
who gives a shit what you mix with :P
As long as you can please the crowd with your trackselection, I'd be fine with that... and that's the only thing I can brag about, being a virtualdj user
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Wilky
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 10:49:14
Seeing some replies in this thread just goes to show that 90% of hardcore djs are shit...
Most have no mixin/transition ability yet get bookings a big raves... Most play the same tunes over and over yet they seem to be defined as a good DJ...
I made this thread for a purpose... That purpose was to get peoples thoughts on a good DJ... See what replies come up and then ask this question:
Based on the reply you have given within this thread, why are you voting for Darwin & Fracus in the awards? (bare in mind what your 1st reply said)
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 11:27:06
It's all about reading the crowd and knowing your genre.
You're playing an underground hardcore club in the UK somehere. You're probably not going to want to play darren styles. You're probably gonna wanna play underground music and have a lot of "sick effects and transitions".
You're playing a club that plays a lot of electro house. You're probably not going to want to scratch and play at 170 bpm. You're probably going to want to do some nice cuts, nice transitions and a good profession of music.
IMO all the other skills (proper use of effects, cuts, etc etc) pale in comparison to track selection and the basics of mixing (beat matching, transition, and playing in key). Aslong as you play good tracks and you don't **** it up, you're a good dj.
As much as some people would like to comment on how crafty the mix was, the majority of people wont pay attention and will be listening to the music.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 12:16:22
Haha the videos, I knew the tiesto one but not the oakenfold one, amazing :D but he should have done a backspin instead of a break, would have been funnier!
Well, I like it when every tune is a mashup, when every tune is quick-mixed, some scratching here and there, some effects but not too much and of course crossfader-tricks/beat-juggling and stuff like that :)
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Wilky
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 12:23:00
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
It's all about reading the crowd and knowing your genre.
You're playing an underground hardcore club in the UK somehere. You're probably not going to want to play darren styles. You're probably gonna wanna play underground music and have a lot of "sick effects and transitions".
You're playing a club that plays a lot of electro house. You're probably not going to want to scratch and play at 170 bpm. You're probably going to want to do some nice cuts, nice transitions and a good profession of music.
IMO all the other skills (proper use of effects, cuts, etc etc) pale in comparison to track selection and the basics of mixing (beat matching, transition, and playing in key). Aslong as you play good tracks and you don't **** it up, you're a good dj.
As much as some people would like to comment on how crafty the mix was, the majority of people wont pay attention and will be listening to the music.
probably the best reply so far..
For me its all about the music... If the music is good then that can compensate shit mixing... But say if a DJ is on for like 4hrs and every mix is shit then that will **** the whole mix up and the good tunes wouldnt be as good during that set...
Also i have more respect for DJs who play what they want to play and not as some say... Read the crowd.. Play what the crowd want...
Obviously its not a good idea to play hardcore/techno at a hed kandi night as you will end up playin to yourself...
Some see a DJ as an entertainer... I dont. When i've been clubbing its just been background noise (just at a higher level)
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 15:30:18
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
IMO all the other skills (proper use of effects, cuts, etc etc) pale in comparison to track selection and the basics of mixing (beat matching, transition, and playing in key). Aslong as you play good tracks and you don't **** it up, you're a good dj.
As much as some people would like to comment on how crafty the mix was, the majority of people wont pay attention and will be listening to the music.
i agree with this. having the ability to pull together a great track selection is more important to most ppl than advanced technical skills. ppl are forgiving of a few botches in a set, but not shittyass tunes.
also plz tell me some of y'all were being sarcastic about the oakenfold & tiesto vids. i found their mixing horrifying.
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Audio Warfare
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 15:54:58
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Originally posted by Wilky:
Based on the reply you have given within this thread, why are you voting for Darwin & Fracus in the awards? (bare in mind what your 1st reply said)
Because they play fat tunes that keep me interested and dancing. :) As long as mixes are smooth and dont clash or whatever, that's all that matters to me. Cutting, fx, and scratching etc are all well and good and take some skill but I'm not at a party to stroke my chin, I'm there to dance to fat tunes.
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DJ Specimen
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 18:23:23
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
Jesus christ, you like dubstep, you prefer human disc changers to real DJs.... are you scared of complexity?
No. But thanks for your concern.
Someone who's into Hardcore claiming Dubstep is simple to make or mix (it might be on Virtual DJ i wouldn't know). You've no idea do you child?
I don't mix dubstep, I can hardly listen to it. But I can't help but wonder... do you consider color printers to be synonymous with great artists? Because comparing wedding DJs to people like Ravine that actively involve themselves in the music they play is like saying a printer is just as much an artist as Michelangelo.
Also, off topic from my current fight with my good buddy meatgate: I forgot to mention that it's a DJs job to make the boring parts of the song with no bass and all simple melodies dance-able. Either by cutting them out or looping some different bass over them and doing a mashup on the fly. Most hardcore seems to have a hard section, then slow melody, then end hard, of course that changes between almost every song but regardless they do have slow sections that nobody in their right mind could dance to.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2010/06/11 : 19:28:23
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Originally posted by DJ Specimen:
comparing wedding DJs to people like Ravine that actively involve themselves in the music they play is like saying a printer is just as much an artist as Michelangelo.
When did i use this comparison?
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