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redwingz
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 Posted - 2010/08/01 : 16:56:14
Oh and as for Orbit1, yes I agree, a very talented guy. Perhaps if he had been born and raised in England he would have been a much bigger name in hardcore than he actually is.
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Posted - 2010/08/01 : 17:09:47
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"Quality" does NOT have a nationality.
...Though the same could be said for "Shit".
I though "Shit" was synonymous with "American"
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Posted - 2010/08/01 : 21:02:55
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Originally posted by redwingz:
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Originally posted by Janster:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
S3rl, Weaver, Sc@r, Lumin8, Haze, Orbit1 I guess are the most well known ones (although I feel like Im forgetting one :s )
TBH, UK made Hardcore is miles ahead of Australian made hardcore in terms of both quality and diversity. Dont get me wrong, the above names, and other Aussies, have made some great hardcore tracks, but you dont have anyone as talented as guys like Darwin, Fracus, Al Storm, Gammer IMO.
I think it will be many many years until an Aussie DJ/producer is able to move to the UK and play main stage at every big event ;) Whereas a UK based hardcore producer like Gammer etc could easily go to Australia and headline hardcore events :p
Both styles are pretty much the same, its just the nationality of the people thats different lol, but I feel that the UK is still the home of UK hardcore lol. Aussie hardcore is certainly coming on strong though and seems to be growing and growing, which is great :) and will hopefully make your scene bigger.
I would say Australia are the 2nd best country at making the style referred to as UK hardcore, as they are miles ahead of the USA who really only have 1 or maybe 2 producers worth shouting about.
The US has more than just 1 or 2 great producers. Luna-C and Oli G are both US producers now. Plus there's Reese, Milo, No Left Turn, Ian K, Michael Mansion, Rize & Starr, Tony Benino, Mr. Jakk, Audio-X, and more.
Also, Orbit1 is easily as talented as Fracus.
hahaha step back! You cant claim Luna-C and Oli G as American! They are English, they just live over there, in the same way that Sc@r lives in England but is an Aussie! Luna-C and Oli G count for the UK, not USA.
Reese, Milo and Michael Mansion are very good, although Reese has pretty much packed in.
Name me a UK produced hardcore compilation (CXH, HTID, HU etc) that contains a track from Ian K, No left Turn, Rize and Starr or Mr Jakk......to my knowledge there isnt one. Im not saying they are bad producers, all the Americans you named are good at what they do, with Milo and MM probably being the best you have. But none of the other guys have their music regularly played by DJs outside of the USA.
Lets put it this way.......If I never visited hardcore forums (which most fans of the music dont) I would never have heard of Rize and Starr, No left Turn, Ian K, Mr Jakk or Tony Benino. I only know who they are cause I visit these forums and have heard their names and so take an interest in their stuff. Your average UK raver would never have even heard of them Im afraid.
You certainly cant judge "quality" by compilations and who is on them. At least, I hope not, because if so I am waaayyyy shit lol.
And I personally think that Sc@r and S3rl are 2 of the best producers right now, in terms of making tunes that people dance to. Im not sure it matters where they came from?
I have never thought of myself as a "british" dj or a representative of the "UK" because who gives a crap what rock you were born on? I have never understood patriotism..."yay me, I'm great because my parents had sex and happened to be from the UK" just seems weird lol.
I don't really understand the need to decide who is best based on where they are from, but the UK does have the natural advantage because the current hardcore scene originated in the UK, so its had more time to get solid roots. Australia has followed pretty quickly, as it has a smaller population in centralized cities and long term dealings with the UK. But the USA is a much bigger country with a huge population spread over a wide amount of land, and it takes a lot longer for any scene to really establish itself - like, years and years. Dance music is only really coming into its own now, as Ke$ha and Scissor Sisters start to top the charts, rather than 10+ years ago as it did in the UK.
The US is a whole different thing, so its not surprising that the US producers are fewer. And the ones that are still around have to be tougher, because they don't have the support system the UK does.
It must be sunday, Im rambling again lol...
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redwingz
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Posted - 2010/08/01 : 21:41:28
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
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Originally posted by Janster:
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Originally posted by redwingz:
S3rl, Weaver, Sc@r, Lumin8, Haze, Orbit1 I guess are the most well known ones (although I feel like Im forgetting one :s )
TBH, UK made Hardcore is miles ahead of Australian made hardcore in terms of both quality and diversity. Dont get me wrong, the above names, and other Aussies, have made some great hardcore tracks, but you dont have anyone as talented as guys like Darwin, Fracus, Al Storm, Gammer IMO.
I think it will be many many years until an Aussie DJ/producer is able to move to the UK and play main stage at every big event ;) Whereas a UK based hardcore producer like Gammer etc could easily go to Australia and headline hardcore events :p
Both styles are pretty much the same, its just the nationality of the people thats different lol, but I feel that the UK is still the home of UK hardcore lol. Aussie hardcore is certainly coming on strong though and seems to be growing and growing, which is great :) and will hopefully make your scene bigger.
I would say Australia are the 2nd best country at making the style referred to as UK hardcore, as they are miles ahead of the USA who really only have 1 or maybe 2 producers worth shouting about.
The US has more than just 1 or 2 great producers. Luna-C and Oli G are both US producers now. Plus there's Reese, Milo, No Left Turn, Ian K, Michael Mansion, Rize & Starr, Tony Benino, Mr. Jakk, Audio-X, and more.
Also, Orbit1 is easily as talented as Fracus.
hahaha step back! You cant claim Luna-C and Oli G as American! They are English, they just live over there, in the same way that Sc@r lives in England but is an Aussie! Luna-C and Oli G count for the UK, not USA.
Reese, Milo and Michael Mansion are very good, although Reese has pretty much packed in.
Name me a UK produced hardcore compilation (CXH, HTID, HU etc) that contains a track from Ian K, No left Turn, Rize and Starr or Mr Jakk......to my knowledge there isnt one. Im not saying they are bad producers, all the Americans you named are good at what they do, with Milo and MM probably being the best you have. But none of the other guys have their music regularly played by DJs outside of the USA.
Lets put it this way.......If I never visited hardcore forums (which most fans of the music dont) I would never have heard of Rize and Starr, No left Turn, Ian K, Mr Jakk or Tony Benino. I only know who they are cause I visit these forums and have heard their names and so take an interest in their stuff. Your average UK raver would never have even heard of them Im afraid.
You certainly cant judge "quality" by compilations and who is on them. At least, I hope not, because if so I am waaayyyy shit lol.
And I personally think that Sc@r and S3rl are 2 of the best producers right now, in terms of making tunes that people dance to. Im not sure it matters where they came from?
I have never thought of myself as a "british" dj or a representative of the "UK" because who gives a crap what rock you were born on? I have never understood patriotism..."yay me, I'm great because my parents had sex and happened to be from the UK" just seems weird lol.
I don't really understand the need to decide who is best based on where they are from, but the UK does have the natural advantage because the current hardcore scene originated in the UK, so its had more time to get solid roots. Australia has followed pretty quickly, as it has a smaller population in centralized cities and long term dealings with the UK. But the USA is a much bigger country with a huge population spread over a wide amount of land, and it takes a lot longer for any scene to really establish itself - like, years and years. Dance music is only really coming into its own now, as Ke$ha and Scissor Sisters start to top the charts, rather than 10+ years ago as it did in the UK.
The US is a whole different thing, so its not surprising that the US producers are fewer. And the ones that are still around have to be tougher, because they don't have the support system the UK does.
It must be sunday, Im rambling again lol...
I agree that S3rl and Sc@r are both wicked, as are Orbit1, Weaver and many other Australian producers. It doesnt matter where they are from, not at all, only for the purpose of this topic as Steve asked who, on the whole, makes better hardcore, Australian producers or UK producers, but yeah I dont care if a producer is from England, Finland, Australia or Egypt lol, if they make good music, Ill buy/listen/support it. But for the purpose of this topic, we are simply discussing which country has 'the most talented hardcore producers' I guess. Sort of a 'hardcore world cup' if you will :p
No doubt the USA could be a massive hardcore scene, as you say, more people so by default there should be more 'gifted' people to make whatever kind of music they wish. I certainly hope the scene over there does grow....America would be a key country for hardcore....if it is popular over there, it will become even more popular in the UK and other countries because it will infiltrate other aspects of the media.
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Posted - 2010/08/02 : 10:38:18
I just got back from playing in Australia over the past month and though producers are few and far apart I do have to say i was really impressed with what I heard out there.
For those who dont know Ben Haze .... well get on it! I personally think hes the most under rated producer and Dj in the scene. Hes really working hard in Sydney running Executive Records and Recycled Records and does push alot of up and commers to the forefront like Dover and Jts....Just 2 more names you guys will hear more over the next year!
S3rl is definately one of the biggest names coming out of Aussie at the mo but he will be up for some competition soon.
Some other up and comming producers which I was impressed with was Analog and Rushy and then dont forget Sam Auscore, Starstuck, Whiskey and the fundamental hardcore crew. Keep it up guys! Its great to see Aussie Hardcore getting out there :)
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Posted - 2010/08/02 : 14:14:33
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I have never understood patriotism..."yay me, I'm great because my parents had sex and happened to be from the UK" just seems weird lol.
I have always made this argument when people are all 'English and proud' as if somehow it was a choice of theirs. Your the first person I've met to say the same thing lol; just makes me like you even more!
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Posted - 2010/08/02 : 19:40:10
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I have never understood patriotism..."yay me, I'm great because my parents had sex and happened to be from the UK" just seems weird lol.
I have always made this argument when people are all 'English and proud' as if somehow it was a choice of theirs. Your the first person I've met to say the same thing lol; just makes me like you even more!
I thought brits where proper shite? =P
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 00:42:15
when it comes to white wine, the aussie's beat us imo, but not with hardcore
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 07:17:30
Double post.
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 07:21:32
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Originally posted by Dj Sc@r:
I just got back from playing in Australia over the past month and though producers are few and far apart I do have to say i was really impressed with what I heard out there.
For those who dont know Ben Haze .... well get on it! I personally think hes the most under rated producer and Dj in the scene. Hes really working hard in Sydney running Executive Records and Recycled Records and does push alot of up and commers to the forefront like Dover and Jts....Just 2 more names you guys will hear more over the next year!
S3rl is definately one of the biggest names coming out of Aussie at the mo but he will be up for some competition soon.
Some other up and comming producers which I was impressed with was Analog and Rushy and then dont forget Sam Auscore, Starstuck, Whiskey and the fundamental hardcore crew. Keep it up guys! Its great to see Aussie Hardcore getting out there :)
Thankyou very much Kay for the kind words.
It is in an interesting topic. The one thing I can say is I always feel I have to put in 5 times the amount of effort to push Australian music to the UK market. Now we could argue about production, I personally believe its not as bad as people are suggesting in this thread but one thing I am sure of is the stereotype. I do find a lot of UK punters will not even bother listening to anything other then UK Hardcore when they are buying tracks on digital sites or purchasing records. I know that is also a generalisation but I am talking about the average punter. Perhaps if stereotypes were dropped artists in other counties could grow in the UK? And it wouldn't just be Gammer or Al Storm etc. as listed in this topic.
Something to ponder...
Like in the reverse for Australian DJs we look for music from the UK? And do not just play only Australian tracks? Think about it.
There is one thing I should mention which is a contradiction to what has been said. The very artists you have mentioned i.e. Fracus and Darwin do play Australian tracks? So again that is a strong point to establish that the production is not as behind as you think if even they are playing Australian songs?
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 12:50:06
Im just going to post again as I feel I may be misunderstood in this topic :/
Australia has a number of producers who are just as good as the UK guys in terms of production and being different, and they also seem to have a passion for hardcore which is great.
I listen to quite alot of Aussie hardcore (as I have a number of Aussie tracks signed to NSR and I listen to the Cotts and Ravine show as much as possible etc) and there are alot of great tracks...my point was that I feel the UK has more of these talented producers than what Australia has. Again, this is purely because, as Luna-C said, the UK is the home of the scene so it has an automatic advantage.
The list of Austalian guys making great UK hardcore, is in my opinion, just as long as the list of UK guys (that could be because I dont listen to many of the UK's big names anymore), but to the average punter as Haze said...the UK guys get more recognition.
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 16:02:26
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Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
when it comes to white wine, the aussie's beat us imo, but not with hardcore
But all the decent wine is from SA, were there is no hardcore scene :p
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 17:07:43
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Aussie Hardcore is UK Hardcore made in Australia.
^^^ Another agree here!
Aussie hardcore seems to be a lot harder and sort of power-y which I'm not into as much but with that said S3RL & Tamika or Jesskah really do bring that kind of candy sound which I totally adore. I think UK hardcore is going down the more bass bass bass route particularly thanks to Gammer and such. In the end I don't care where it's come from as long as I like it which is a really hit and miss game atm because of my awkward tastes!
At the end of the day I'm more interested in what Japan and America (Particularly America) are doing because there are the few that are still keeping that Happy Hardcore sound alive which is what I'm most interested in!
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 18:13:18
at the end of the day who cares? as long as it sounds good then its worth listening and dancing to - doesnt matter what country its from. I got some wicked japense hardcore tunes which I can't even understand that they are saying on it but I still like the tune and bounce around to
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Posted - 2010/08/03 : 18:35:42
Uk hardcore simple... there is no need to tell you why.
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