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DjMoNkEyBoY
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 Posted - 2002/09/10 : 14:29:55
Raving is not a crime
The term raver, what does it mean? I’ve tried to answer this question so many times for myself and other people. Every raver is different, yet they are all the same.
Adults are too quick to judge ravers. Its is a counterculture. Yes, unfortunately there are some bad things that go on, but everywhere you go there are bad things happening.
Youth in America want to distance themselves from main stream. To be unique, and individual. To escape consumerism, yet they buy products which promise such identity. “They drive themselves to extremes to create space in which to be themselves. Yet the commercial machine they think they are escaping is always on their back, ready to sell them something new.”-Thomas Hine.
There are so many misconceptions of rave culture. People hear the word rave, and automatically assume and/or think, of drugs- ecstasy (I hate that word), ketamine, ghb, speed, glow sticks, pants with flares, shiny shirts, excessive accessories, i.e. beads, bracelets, reflecting or flashing stuff. They don’t really know what its about.
Raving has beliefs, practices, and ideals which we hope someday will change the world. Yes, we are all different people from different backgrounds, and raving and its ideals is different to each of us. This is true with any culture: there are different beliefs, groups of people, types of tradition, and aspects of its mission. However, there is always a core foundation on which the culture is set. In raving, we rest on a foundation of practicing the art of Music and Dancing, engaging in Friendship, having Fun, being in a wild environment of Chaos, having total Freedom, and believing in and sharing Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect. Every other add-on to this amazing and inspiring revolutionary culture, is just another piece in the huge crazy puzzle.
Unfortunately this commercialism got to raving and blew it out of proportion. Companies like 555 soul, diesel, Levi’s, adiddas, etc, started marketing to individuals to make money and distorted the whole scene 20/20 had a whole special to scare the moms to get ratings and yet destroy the scene from their portrayal of the scene. It has been marked up, popularized and tried to be mainstream, and now there is too much crap surrounding it that there’s not much of a scene left.
How funny it that 20/20 wanted to “educate America about the horrible things that happen at raves, and not let your children got them.” That by doing that all they did was promoting all thing s they said were bad about raves. The things that were never a part of the rave community.
They attack raves when they should attack any party.
There are bad things everywhere you go, and sheltering you children is not always the best choice.
I wouldn’t recommend raving to anybody under the age of 18, because you are required to make choice at raves, drugs, no drugs, sex, no sex, dehydration, no dehydration. At least when you are 18 only you are responsible for your decisions and not these wartime mommies who proclaim them elves masters of the safe world. And it keeps rave promoters like me happy because I don’t have to go to jail
I’ve been slated for trying to save the rave scenes. Look how cute he’s trying to save the rave scene. I say, look how cute you’re all ****ed up on xtc.
The paradox is that before raving became mainstream? It was ideal as mentioned above. However, it did not have a voice, or a financial backing. Now from all the controversy and drugs sales it has both, so am I complaining? Because it has been distorted to the point where it’s almost a totally different thing. Rave music has been on Mtv they said, no what was on mtv was a watered down, cheesed out, hokey syth pop everybody get ****ed up and dance package. Mtv = you’re cool if…. Then the commercials start to tell you where to go to get the stuff.
Am I angry? Yes, because these ****ers have raped something so dear to me and I’ve not benefited from it all.
Big business nearly took me out.
How am I supposed to compete with an event sponsored by Levi’s?
Raves are misconceptulized.
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Foxy
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 Posted - 2002/09/11 : 01:55:27
Wow-thats certainly some rant from you there! I dont know evough about the US scene to comment, but I kinda understand where your coming from.
Keep going & keep believing-if you try hard enough you'll suceed as people that matter will remember how you helped the scene when "commercialism" turned its back on it, that happened here to a point & we all remember the events which remained throughout periods when numbers dwindled & they've come back stronger coz of it!
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number2301
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Posted - 2002/09/11 : 08:58:40
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Originally posted by DjMoNkEyBoY:
Raving is not a crime
Yes It is! In England at least, see the criminal (in)justice act :(
Sounds like the rave scene in America got a bit screwed up! Rave sponsorship ??? Lol!
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milo
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Posted - 2002/09/11 : 11:56:45
er... i odn't think that is original, its very firmiliar, but it hasn't been brought onto these baords before, good read though none the less.
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kBud
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 11:32:18
Hey Monkey Boy --- did you spin booty house in the Kentucky/Ohio area awhile back??? If not, I guess you have somebody sweatin ya, or vice versa ;)
I think everybody's disgusted with all the non-stop drama surrounding the scene here in the US. It's a lame and pessimistic plot to attack to make the government appear as though they actually care about US citizens. Grrrr....
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 RAVING IS NOT A *******-ING CRIME!
 SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SCENE.
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Soren
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 12:22:17
The scene is the US is heavily sponsored. Nike, Levi's, Coors Beer Co., Sony, BF Goodrich (A tire tent!?!?!), etc... and I hear loads of people on all kinds of boards complaining about it and how "the scene is being destroyed" then those same damn people go to 10,000 person massives that are coorporate sponsored and perpetuate the crap they are complaining about. Don't like it? Encourage everyone to stop going to coorporate raves. Who cares if they booked DJ XXXXXX for $20,000, just tell everyone not to go and maybe they will listen. I don't think it's that bad though, raves will still give you what you want if you want it enough (unless the party REALLY sux). I still meet new friends and stuff.
To Promoters: I haven't been to a small party in like 5 years that had any decorations or any extras (free water, what happened to that??). You wanna know why you're little parties are failing? Cause you invite you wanker friends to come spin and they suck and you don't have your crap together with getting decent sound, lights, or decorations. If you throw phat parties you will do well. Promoting is not fun and games, it's hard work and almost no one does it right anymore.
(This is all based on what I've seen in the New England area in the last 4 years or so by the way, it may not apply to other areas like AZ where I used to live and where parties where a lot better.)
To people that say "drugs ruin raves": Sorry to burst your bubble, but the "rave" scene was basically built on E. Like it or not that's what blew the scene up in the late 80's and early 90's. And people were saying the same thing in 88' about the techno/club/rave scene. Except maybe they had a point, but I assure you nothing much has changed in the last 15 years concerning raves and drugs.
"Back in 2000 the scene was pure, now it's just a bunch of kids taking E and not caring about the scene. Drugs ruined it, I'm glad I don't pop 43 pills a weekend anymore." -Some raver on a mailing list
"Back in 1998 the scene was pure, now it's just a bunch of kids taking E and not caring about the scene. Drugs ruined it, I'm glad I don't pop 43 pills a weekend anymore." -Some raver on a mailing list
"Back in 1996 the scene was pure, now it's just a bunch of kids taking E and not caring about the scene. Drugs ruined it, I'm glad I don't pop 43 pills a weekend anymore." -Some raver on a mailing list
"Yawn, sure whatever I'm sorry your pills don't work anymore and you woke up to reality" -Soren (And no that's not always the case, but a LOT)
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kBud
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 12:36:49
*applauds Soren* 
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DjMoNkEyBoY
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 17:22:04
"Hey Monkey Boy --- did you spin booty house in the Kentucky/Ohio area awhile back??? If not, I guess you have somebody sweatin ya, or vice versa ;)"
No, I know who you are talking about. He is Kentucky. He's been jocking my name for 3 years now. I am the original. I've been monkeyboy ever since I was three years old. He has this webiste djmonkeyboy.com that he hasn't done anything with for three years. I offered to buy it from him but he said he wanted $20,000. I think it's rediculous.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 20:55:22
I found a website somewhere clearly stating that If you can tickets at ticketek then your scene is screwed.
As far as I'm concerned sponsoring of raves is plain low. Make me wanna fly planes into those damn coporate headquarters. (But with the deepest respects to the victims of the 9/11 attacks). Rage Against the Machine had something right...
Raves aren't about advertising, its about the music, the atmosphere - a place you can leave the world behind - not stare at advertising for 8 or so hours.
DjMoNkEyBoY - best of luck with your events.
Everybody else - Keep it real!! And tell your friends to go to a real rave - not an advertiser's dream. PLUR - quite the scene alive, don't let it die at coporate hands.
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DjMoNkEyBoY
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Posted - 2002/09/12 : 22:48:03
Speaking of a real rave, I hope everyone can make it out to Los Angeles this Saturday for Project Smile 4.
It's gonna be so awesome. There's gonna be so much great talent there. With real, cool, people, and of course, all the Happy Hardcore one could ask for.
One day I hope I too will get the awesome opportunity to spin at Project Smile. For now I'll just be the best dancer, friend, philosopher, leader, producer, promoter... Raver I can be, and serve my community the best way I know how... PLURR (peace, love, unity, respect, responsibility)
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kBud
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Posted - 2002/09/13 : 07:36:37
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Originally posted by DjMoNkEyBoY:
No, I know who you are talking about. He is Kentucky. He's been jocking my name for 3 years now. I am the original. I've been monkeyboy ever since I was three years old. He has this webiste djmonkeyboy.com that he hasn't done anything with for three years. I offered to buy it from him but he said he wanted $20,000. I think it's rediculous.
That is absolutely ludicrous. What a poser. And $20,000?!?!?! WTF! I'm from Kentucky, and I have a few acquaintances that chill with him... maybe I could get them to talk some since into the fool. :P
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DJ_Solstice
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Posted - 2002/09/13 : 17:08:23
im sick and tired of hearing about this corporate ********! why dont these companies such as nike etc just **** off and stick wot they do best! oh wait, they dont do anything best, their traniers are wank! i dont pay any attention to any advert i see (unless its hardcore obviously)
Raving is about like minded ppl who come 2gether to have a good time, leaving their troubles and worries behind, and **** drugs! i dont do drugs and never plan too! the music is my drug, and it always will be, these dickheads who pop 10 e's at a rave are the ppl who destroy the scene! enjoy the scene for what it is, and not the wankers around you popping pills and nicking your wallet!
sorry if this makes no sense or is crap, but im drunk damnit!
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number2301
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Posted - 2002/09/14 : 05:51:16
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Originally posted by DJ_Solstice:
the wankers around you popping pills and nicking your wallet!
Whatever, I take pills and so do most people at raves and none of us would nick anything from anyone! Where do you get that from?
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Posted - 2002/09/14 : 08:05:50
because its happened 2 me b4 on more than 2 occasions! so ok yeh i apologise if i insulted any1 who does pills and dont do anythin (i was quite drunk wen i wrote that post) but its just the minority that sometimes ruin it for the majority
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DjMoNkEyBoY
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Posted - 2002/09/14 : 13:20:52
Thats very true that it is sometimes the few that spoil it for the bunch.
I used to hate on people who take pills, and say that they just don't get it and blame them for all the bad stuff associated with raves.
Since my involovement with dancesafe however, www.dancesafe.com my views have changed.
It's less about people doing drugs, and more about if theydo, then helping them be safe and responsible.
I don't do drugs. I never have. I don't even smoke weed or drink. But I can still respect people that do. One of my best friends only goes to raves for the drugs (E and K). You see we all party for different reasons.
I had to ask myself, how I am serving my community the best I can if I hate on people?
That's when I changed my mindset. I don't care if people do drugs at raves or at my raves. All I ask is that they be safe and respnonsible. I want them to first be 18 or over. Second I want them to know what they are doing before they do it. Read up. Do the research and then (if you still want to) do the drugs -the right way. I know that drugs will always be apart of raves. So rather than agreeing with the govenment and their RAVE act that I'm fighting so hard against. I can serve my community by providing information, compassion, understanding, acceptance, and a fun, safe enviornment where anybody and everybody can party and be as one. And hopefully people will take what they got from the rave and apply it to their daily lives. The philosophy, not the drugs. When I was young I heard my grandma giving some advice to my Aunt who is a drug addict. She said to her
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Posted - 2002/09/15 : 07:43:09
DJ_Solstice, just noticed your location. Whenever I've seen trouble causers at English raves its been the people who aren't on drugs ie scallies. Never seen someone loved up go for anyone!
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