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 Posted - 2010/09/09 : 14:23:17
So. File sharing is a big part of everyone's everyday life, either at home, at work or somewhere else. You might be sharing the image you just took of a foxy lady with your best friend, or you sent a copy of your daughter's newly drawn image to your mother or partner. Or you might have downloaded the latest movie, or and old game you remembered playing back in 1880 (old).
Everyone on this forum probably knows that it's illegal to download something that has been uploaded without the original author/makers consent. But how you do you actually feel about it? Got any personal experience of the fatality or greatness of it?
I got the idea for this questionnaire from the recent file sharing related topics (it may or may not have been my fault :P), so I wanted to know everyone's opinion on this matter.
I will make this questionnaire anonymous, so unless you're a dumb schmuck like me, you can always send me a PM instead.
If i get enough I will collect everyone's answers and make a statistics out of it. That is, if anyone wants to answer this questionnaire at all :P
Here's the questions, and please, be serious. Your future might be on the line here! (I keed I keed)
Warmup question:
1. Have you ever shared or downloaded any files, illegally or legally?
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Questions for those who have downloaded anything illegal:
If you're conscience is clean, you can skip these questions.
2. Have you downloaded illegally?
3. How old where you when you/how far back was it when you started downloading illegally?
4. What have you downloaded illegally? (no need to be specific,, just mention music,games or whatsoever).
5. What have you uploded illegally? (no need to be specific,, just mention music,games or whatsoever).
6. What kind of application/protocol did you use to mainly download these materials?
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Opinion on Piracy:
7. What is your opinion on this issue?
Please try to be as personal as possible. Don't use someone else experience with piracy, unless you know the person, and know enough to actually be accurate.
8. Grade how you feel about it, with the numbers 0 to 5, where 0 is for a very negative stance and 5 is for a very positive stance towards piracy.
9. Select the option closest to you're reason for downloading (or not).
You might be able to select one or more options, as long as you don't contradict yourself :P
a Pirates should be hunted for the rest of their life, or executed on the spot! (eye for an eye)
b The government should make more strict laws about copyright infringements. (proper legislation)
c You wish that pirates would stop what their doing and start to actually support the creators. (proper earnings)
d You want to support the creators of the material, but you have a big hole in your wallet. When you get more money, you'd gladly pay again. (poor)
e You want to be able to play/listen to/watch older material that has either been abandoned or deleted. (nostalgic)
f You download to have the material, and as soon as you can, you will buy it. (earlybird)
g You download for preview purpose, or if you have already made the purchase and just want to get the material quicker. (preview)
h You download for just to have it. (database)
i You don't give a damn. If it's up, its on your harddrive! (criminal)
10. What do you think should be done to either prevent or make it better?
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99. Comments?
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I can't come up with more questions as of yet, but I would like to make more questions. If you can come up with a question, I will consider adding it
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 14:30:31
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
So. File sharing is a big part of everyone's everyday life, either at home, at work or somewhere else. You might be sharing the image you just took of a foxy lady with your best friend, or you sent a copy of your daughter's newly drawn image to your mother or partner. Or you might have downloaded the latest movie, or and old game you remembered playing back in 1880 (old).
Everyone on this forum probably knows that it's illegal to download something that has been uploaded without the original author/makers consent. But how you do you actually feel about it? Got any personal experience of the fatality or greatness of it?
I got the idea for this questionnaire from the recent file sharing related topics (it may or may not have been my fault :P), so I wanted to know everyone's opinion on this matter.
I will make this questionnaire anonymous, so unless you're a dumb schmuck like me, you can always send me a PM instead.
If i get enough I will collect everyone's answers and make a statistics out of it. That is, if anyone wants to answer this questionnaire at all :P
Here's the questions, and please, be serious. Your future might be on the line here! (I keed I keed)
Warmup question:
1. Have you ever shared or downloaded any files, for personal usage? This question is about both legal and illegal downloads.
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Questions for those who have downloaded anything illegal:
If you're conscience is clean, you can skip these questions.
2. Have you downloaded illegally?
3. How old where you when you/how far back was it when you started downloading illegally?
4a. Have you downloaded music illegally?
4b. Have you downloaded movies illegally?
4c. Have you downloaded games illegally?
4d. Have you downloaded images/art illegally?
5a. Have you uploaded music illegally?
5b. Have you uploaded movies illegally?
5c. Have you uploaded games illegally?
5d. Have you uploaded images/art illegally?
6. What kind of application/protocol did you use to mainly download these materials?
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Opinion on Piracy:
7. What is your opinion on this issue?
Please try to be as personal as possible. Don't use someone else experience with piracy, unless you know the person, and know enough to actually be accurate.
8. Grade how you feel about it, with the numbers 0 to 5, where 0 is for a very negative stance and 5 is for a very positive stance towards piracy.
9. Select the option closest to you're reason for downloading (or not).
You might be able to select one or more options, as long as you don't contradict yourself :P
a Pirates should be hunted for the rest of their life, or executed on the spot! (eye for an eye)
b The government should make more strict laws about copyright infringements. (proper legislation)
c You wish that pirates would stop what their doing and start to actually support the creators. (proper earnings)
d You want to support the creators of the material, but you have a big hole in your wallet. When you get more money, you'd gladly pay again. (poor)
e You want to be able to play/listen to/watch older material that has either been abandoned or deleted. (nostalgic)
f You download to have the material, and as soon as you can, you will buy it. (earlybird)
g You download for preview purpose, or if you have already made the purchase and just want to get the material quicker. (preview)
h You download for just to have it. (database)
i You don't give a damn. If it's up, its on your harddrive! (criminal)
10. What do you think should be done to either prevent or make it better?
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99. Comments?
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I can't come up with more questions as of yet, but I would like to make more questions. If you can come up with a question, I will consider adding it
It must be filesharing week lol
If you're conscience is clean, you can skip these questions.
2. Have you downloaded illegally? yes, yes & yes
3. How old where you when you/how far back was it when you started downloading illegally? 10 years ago
4a. Have you downloaded music illegally? yes
4b. Have you downloaded movies illegally? yes
4c. Have you downloaded games illegally? yes
4d. Have you downloaded images/art illegally? no
5a. Have you uploaded music illegally? yes
5b. Have you uploaded movies illegally? no
5c. Have you uploaded games illegally? no
5d. Have you uploaded images/art illegally? no
6. What kind of application/protocol did you use to mainly download these materials? i used to use limewire back in the day.. *******s.. rapidshare, megaupload
people who say they havnt downloaded anything illegally in my eyes are talking shit
also, you might want to add software to the list
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 14:42:38
should "using a software after it's shareware time has expired" be considered piracy? =P
anyways, updated questions 4 and 5
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 14:43:53
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
should "using a software after it's shareware time has expired" be considered piracy? =P
cracked software is
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 14:48:37
Had this questionnaire come from anyone else I would answer it, but to be honest Samnation from you it just seems like an opportunity to stir things up! If you want my opinion on filesharing it's like this:
Buy where possible, if movies/music/games/etc. are completely unavailable where you are then don't go without - feel free to pirate until it is available. If they are available then buy, maybe use pirating to strictly try before buy if there are no decent samples etc. available
as I've said before; Don't go without, but don't take the piss! You can't justify filesharing as a whole, neither can you condemn it as a whole. Each situation is different, use your head and don't forget your morals!
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 15:01:51
Warmup question:
1. Have you ever shared or downloaded any files, for personal usage? This question is about both legal and illegal downloads. I don't understand this question. Sharing for personal usage? as opposed to what? Legal downloads and sharing? what?
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Questions for those who have downloaded anything illegal:
If you're conscience is clean, you can skip these questions.
2. Have you downloaded illegally? Sure have.
3. How old where you when you/how far back was it when you started downloading illegally? No idea. 10 years ish?
4a. Have you downloaded music illegally? Yes but not in a long time. Since i was 16 or 17 maybe? that's about 6 or 7 years
4b. Have you downloaded movies illegally? Always do
4c. Have you downloaded games illegally? I've used *******s to get games ive owned in the past, but have broken, or scratched etc so i can play them again. Im quite sure that's not illegal.
4d. Have you downloaded images/art illegally? Not that im aware of.
5a. Have you uploaded music illegally? Nope
5b. Have you uploaded movies illegally? nope
5c. Have you uploaded games illegally? nope
5d. Have you uploaded images/art illegally? nope
6. What kind of application/protocol did you use to mainly download these materials? *******s
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Opinion on Piracy:
7. What is your opinion on this issue?
Please try to be as personal as possible. Don't use someone else experience with piracy, unless you know the person, and know enough to actually be accurate.
I think on the whole filesharing isn't the main issue, but the repercussions that have come from it. Take a look at the film industry. It's a multi-BILLION dollar industry. Only just recently
a film grossed nearly three BILLION dollars. I know people fileshare movies, though. A lot of people. If there can be filesharing and people involved in films can make billions of dollars
(or in most cases several tens of millions) then i don't see a problem with it. Sure, we all know it's wrong, but it's not taking a massive toll on the industry.
The main issue is specifically with the newer generation coming into music. They've grown up their whole lives getting music for free, and it's so widely accepted that they now EXPECT music to be free
and you start seeing comments like "if you pay for music you're a sucker" and "music SHOULD be free, it's so unfair". These arent uncommon comments, ive seen youtube FLOODED with them.
Compare the film industry to the music industry where people in the music industry (unless you're a very large name) need a "real" job to earn enough to be able to do music. How long is it
until being a "professional musician" is out of the question? I think it's mind boggling that people can expect good music, the kind of music that people devote their lives to, and to have it all for free.
I'm almost fairly certain that if this continues, great artists like The Beatles, Bob Marley, The Rolling Stones and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers are sadly, a thing of the past. It's already starting to happen;
just look at the quality of popular music today, compared to even ten years ago. Go back 10 years further than that... seeing a pattern? It's getting worse.
Now personally i AM, i guess what you'd call a semi-professional musician in that everything i make gets released, and makes me money. In several instances, before some tracks have even been released,
they've been up on filesharing sites, and it's come VERY close to costing me a signing. Thats money out of my pocket because of filesharing. Recently, a track that was VERY popular with everyone,
sold abysmally. Like really badly. I had to apologize to the label owner, because i legitimately thought it was a very good track. I later found out it had been downloaded thousands of times
just from one filesharing site. Compare that. Around 20 sales, to THOUSANDS of illegal downloads. That is so ****ed i cannot even comprehend. That's how it's personally affecting me.
8. Grade how you feel about it, with the numbers 0 to 5, where 0 is for a very negative stance and 5 is for a very positive stance towards piracy.
It's not as simple as that. As i've outlined before, it differs between industries. In music, probably about a 1. The only reason i didnt say 0, is because when people are amateur musicians
(ie, not getting paid) then filesharing can help them get their name out there.
9. Select the option closest to you're reason for downloading (or not).
You might be able to select one or more options, as long as you don't contradict yourself :P
a Pirates should be hunted for the rest of their life, or executed on the spot! (eye for an eye)
b The government should make more strict laws about copyright infringements. (proper legislation)
c You wish that pirates would stop what their doing and start to actually support the creators. (proper earnings)
d You want to support the creators of the material, but you have a big hole in your wallet. When you get more money, you'd gladly pay again. (poor)
e You want to be able to play/listen to/watch older material that has either been abandoned or deleted. (nostalgic)
f You download to have the material, and as soon as you can, you will buy it. (earlybird)
g You download for preview purpose, or if you have already made the purchase and just want to get the material quicker. (preview)
h You download for just to have it. (database)
i You don't give a damn. If it's up, its on your harddrive! (criminal)
a (eye for an eye) although i think those punishments are fairly harsh haha. I think fines are a more suitable option lol
b (proper legislation) i think they also need to find a way to enforce it. At the moment, there are laws against filesharing, but there is nobody to be held accountable, so what's the point?
c (proper earnings) if i earned more money from music, id be doing a shit load more of it, that's for sure.
e (nostalgic) yep
I didn't really understand this question lol
10. What do you think should be done to either prevent or make it better?
Honestly, i have no idea. There are already laws against it, but it cant be enforced and i doubt any officer of the law would actually enforce it anyway.
Like was mentioned before, though, Taxes pay for hospitals, police, museums, etc etc etc
If everyone is so accepting of filesharing being a part of normal life, then why isn't it being treated as such? Why isn't there a filesharing tax?
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 15:02:14
Sorry about the colours, I wanted it to be different to the question.
Warmup question:
1. Have you ever shared or downloaded any files, for personal usage? This question is about both legal and illegal downloads.
I have downloaded files, and also shared my own.
2. Have you downloaded illegally?
Yes
3. How old where you when you/how far back was it when you started downloading illegally?
About 14 perhaps with Limewire
4. What have you downloaded illegally? (no need to be specific,, just mention music,games or whatsoever).
Ive downloaded TV Series, Films, Games, Software, and Music
5. What have you uploded illegally? (no need to be specific,, just mention music,games or whatsoever).
I always turn off uploading.
6. What kind of application/protocol did you use to mainly download these materials?
u*******.
Opinion on Piracy:
7. What is your opinion on this issue?
Of course I recognize that it is wrong. I used to download music and games and all sorts, stuff that I could have paid for. Nowadays I only download the odd football game that I wanna watch. It's still not right, but where else do I get to view it?
As for specifically hardcore, I'd say I'm split on the issue. I used to download hardcore, when I was first getting into it, but I've since realised that its wrong and how tight the scene actually is, and now I've got a smexy CD rack to prove that I buy music honestly. However, I feel that the hardcore scene is fractured. As I understood, from when Zonkers was shat on, that using tracks in a FREE downloadable mix is illegal and is essentially filesharing.... yet we see mixes from all kinds of Hardcore people, be it unknowns or producers that use unlicenced tracks in mixes. Therefore, how do people have any right to condemn filesharing through T0rr3nt, if people condone filesharing through mixes?
To me its very unclear, and it goes to show that allot of so-called idols are just a bunch of raving cowboys and drug addicts.
8. Grade how you feel about it, with the numbers 0 to 5, where 0 is for a very negative stance and 5 is for a very positive stance towards piracy.
0 - Clearly its wrong, theres no disputing that, but like I've said, if people contest filesharing in this conventional form of downloading full tracks, then why arent we looking at mixes?
9. My stance is clear.
10. What do you think should be done to either prevent or make it better?
People need to look at the reality, before producers complain about people downloading their stuff from pirate websites like soundbase, they should just look around on forums like ush or hhc and what mixes feature their tracks. Or dont they care? In that case are they hypocrits?
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Yes. This Genre is flawed.
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 15:19:37
Neko: It isn't in my intent to stir things up (again), but as delicate as this issue is, it could happen... but on a small forum like this? But just look at Influx, that's a massive post.
Influx: The question is about if you have downloaded ANYTHING from the internet. Either illegal music or movies, or copyright-free/royalty-free images. Updated the question. I originally meant if you downloaded anything that's not related to work.
btw, that's 70's show (on the telly, i swear!!!!) just made forget what I intended to write here next :P
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 15:29:14
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people who say they havnt downloaded anything illegally in my eyes are talking shit
Haha why do you say that though? I've never Dled anything. All my software, music, films etc. all paid for. I can certainly vouch for all my family too, I know neither my Brother nor my parents have Dled anything illegally... They wouldn't even know where to look for starters. :P Aside from the moral reasons I prefer it to have a physical copy of things anyway.
Mind you at 26, when I was very young I don't think you could even DL stuff due to obvious restrictions. By the time you could easily get stuff this way I was old enough to realise I didn't really agree with doing so. Had the option been available to me at a younger age that likely would have been different. I had 1 pirated game and I think 2 Pirate VHS films when I was a nipper and that's about it on the illegal copies for me.
I can't be arsed to fill out the questions now, sorry. :p Maybe later haha. A short answer would be that I don't DL stuff myself, would encourage others to by their stuff but wouldn't set fire to someone that didnt.
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:01:41
Well everyone could easily say what they think of filesharing or piracy. Trying to make a questionnaire might show more about what people think of piracy.
influx: 9 wasn't really a question, just... what did I mean...
Oh and about the specific subject. Well I intended it to be Hardcore related, but piracy hits all businesses
Well since I formed the question, it feels wierd to answer them, but I will :P
1. Both legally and illegally.
2. Yes.
3. Just about 11 years ago.
4. Basicly everything, but mostly movies and anime.
5. Except keeping some *******s active, I've uploaded a few, mostly old games and music
6. I've tried most applications for downloading
7. The most positive thing I can say about file sharing, is it helped me get into alot of different music styles, that I later on started to buy. Excluding the few times I heard Mark Oh and Scooter on swedish radio, I would probably haven't gotten into Hardcore at all (or maybe much later if I'm lucky at all).
8. 2... it has some uses :P
9. I'm mostly leaning towards e and I've done g a couple of times.
10. I actually lean towards that both sides should make compromises. Should material (mostly movies and games) really be that expensive for online content? We all know why psychical products costs more because of all the steps before it gets to the consumers. Like format production, costs of material needed, artwork, distribution, stores and taxes (taxes and taxes and taxes). But digital content is much cheaper. With the usage of *******, you can remove alot of bandwidth costs since it's spread between everyone downloading and a few main servers and seeders. Pirates should actively stop download everything they download.
Basicly, these steps should be done, and AT THE SAME TIME (no waiting for one side to do its part).
More content online, reasonable (based on costs) prices, and less illegal downloads.
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:05:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Wilky:
people who say they havnt downloaded anything illegally in my eyes are talking shit
Haha why do you say that though? I've never Dled anything. All my software, music, films etc. all paid for. I can certainly vouch for all my family too, I know neither my Brother nor my parents have Dled anything illegally... They wouldn't even know where to look for starters. :P Aside from the moral reasons I prefer it to have a physical copy of things anyway.
Mind you at 26, when I was very young I don't think you could even DL stuff due to obvious restrictions. By the time you could easily get stuff this way I was old enough to realise I didn't really agree with doing so. Had the option been available to me at a younger age that likely would have been different. I had 1 pirated game and I think 2 Pirate VHS films when I was a nipper and that's about it on the illegal copies for me.
I can't be arsed to fill out the questions now, sorry. :p Maybe later haha. A short answer would be that I don't DL stuff myself, would encourage others to by their stuff but wouldn't set fire to someone that didnt.
thing is with filesharing its hard to prove either way that one has or hasnt done it...
you can say you havnt all you want.. so could i but i know i have.. you dont know i have, you just have to take my word.. the last thing i illegally downloaded was the new HTID album on monday, but i will be buying it due to it be ****in wkd..
most albums im not to sure on buyin i download first as i will be pretty pissed off if i didnt like it then im stuck with it
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:18:24
haha well yeah you can only trust what someone says but it doesn't mean by any strech of the imagination that everybody MUST have done it. It's just not the case. A lot of people wouldn't even know where to look! Others just wouldn't do it because they don't feel it's right/would rather have the physical copy/cant be bothered and would rather just grab it in a shop among many other reasons I'm sure. It seems that you feel just because you personally could never see yourself going without illegal file sharing that you just couldn't imagine anyone else doing so.
If I want to listen to a CD before I buy it I ask to listen in a shop or check out the clips on the internet personally. :)
I don't see where people find the time to DL all this shit and watch/listen to it anyway! I don't even have enough time to listen to/play/watch all the stuff I buy and I don't have much of an expendable income left after bills etc.! Where to people find the time to trawl through all this stuff!
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haha well yeah you can only trust what someone says but it doesn't mean by any strech of the imagination that everybody MUST have done it. It's just not the case. A lot of people wouldn't even know where to look! Others just wouldn't do it because they don't feel it's right/would rather have the physical copy/cant be bothered and would rather just grab it in a shop among many other reasons I'm sure. It seems that you feel just because you personally could never see yourself going without illegal file sharing that you just couldn't imagine anyone else doing so.
If I want to listen to a CD before I buy it I ask to listen in a shop or check out the clips on the internet personally. :)
I don't see where people find the time to DL all this shit and watch/listen to it anyway! I don't have time to listen to/play/watch all the stuff I buy and I don't have much of an expendable income left after bills etc.!
Clips on the net dont justify enough for me.. there either too short or the quality is too crap
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:25:49
Meh, I'm used to that from ordering tunes on vinyl off the web. It's plenty to go on IMO.
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:38:39
i thought i raised some good points. Guess they've been ignored )
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Posted - 2010/09/09 : 16:43:39
like how the genre is flawed? =P
Wilky, I have to agree with AW here. If you can hear a sample online, that's fairly long, it doesnt matter about quality. That's just being greedy.
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