NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 20:22:00
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by Sam Swift:
He did bring happy hardcore to North America. That's why he had a big fan base. What ever happened to him?
Yup, that's exactly it.
With H2BH, he made it possible for everyone here to go to any music store and pick up a Happy Hardcore cd for a reasonable price. You'll rarely stumble upon Bonkers, Hardcore Heaven or other UK compilations in most music stores in north america. The few stores that do import these albums sell them at ridiculous prices anyway.
The North American Hardcore scene's growth seems to have followed the evolution of the H2BH series very closely. The decay of the genre's popularity amongst ravers over here started pretty much exactly when the H2BH series ended, and when Hullabaloo was over in 2005, that's when it seriously started to die. Now it's unfortunately very close to nothing.
That is...I've got no response for that video. That's depressing to watch. If he hadn't annoyed so many people in the scene or whatever he did to make himself unpopular I think he would still be the face of Happy Hardcore in the US today and maybe his mixing and stuff would have improved over time. In his defence though he never wanted to be a DJ apparently.
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 20:25:33
quote:Originally posted by raindancerob:
madness your CDs are expensive then lol i wasnt dissing him for what he did for the scene more his DJing, i mean just cuz someone does alot doesnt mean that they should get bookings when quite frankly they cant mix for shit. he should of stuck to the promoting & left the DJing side of things as he was/is clearly no good at it.
Well, in a perfect world, bookings would be offered to djs in account of their skills as entertainers, music selectors and of course, their mixing abilities. While these are still valid reasons to book somebody, I think what got Frolic all of his bookings is the fact that his name was plastered on every single copy of the ONLY Hardcore source there was here in North America back then.
People get bookings because their names draw crowds.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
If he hadn't annoyed so many people in the scene or whatever he did to make himself unpopular I think he would still be the face of Happy Hardcore in the US today and maybe his mixing and stuff would have improved over time. In his defence though he never wanted to be a DJ apparently.
I don't know, I doubt he was that unpopular at all. I'm not sure what is the reason for ending Hullabaloo, but it could be plenty of things other than scene drama. The proportions of parties had already started to go down considerably, maybe he wanted to end it while it was still strong? He was also expecting a child, that changes a lot of things.
I could also believe that it wasn't his first ambition to become a dj. The man did what he had to do to bring Happy Hardcore to North America, but he clearly focused most of his efforts on the promotion side, and not behind the decks.
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 20:34:54
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by raindancerob:
madness your CDs are expensive then lol i wasnt dissing him for what he did for the scene more his DJing, i mean just cuz someone does alot doesnt mean that they should get bookings when quite frankly they cant mix for shit. he should of stuck to the promoting & left the DJing side of things as he was/is clearly no good at it.
Well, in a perfect world, bookings would be offered to djs in account of their skills as entertainers, music selectors and of course, their mixing abilities. While these are still valid reasons to book somebody, I think what got Frolic all of his bookings is the fact that his name was plastered on every single copy of the ONLY Hardcore source there was here in North America back then.
People get bookings because their names draw crowds.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
If he hadn't annoyed so many people in the scene or whatever he did to make himself unpopular I think he would still be the face of Happy Hardcore in the US today and maybe his mixing and stuff would have improved over time. In his defence though he never wanted to be a DJ apparently.
I don't know, I doubt he was that unpopular at all. I'm not sure what is the reason for ending Hullabaloo, but it could be plenty of things other than scene drama. The proportions of parties had already started to go down considerably, maybe he wanted to end it while it was still strong? He was also expecting a child.
I could also believe that it wasn't his first ambition to become a dj. The man did what he had to do to bring Happy Hardcore to North America, but he clearly focused most of his efforts on the promotion side, and not behind the decks.
i read an article on another website awhile back that he had alot of problems after someone died at one of his events & that was why he stopped doing them.
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 20:39:30
quote:Originally posted by raindancerob:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by raindancerob:
madness your CDs are expensive then lol i wasnt dissing him for what he did for the scene more his DJing, i mean just cuz someone does alot doesnt mean that they should get bookings when quite frankly they cant mix for shit. he should of stuck to the promoting & left the DJing side of things as he was/is clearly no good at it.
Well, in a perfect world, bookings would be offered to djs in account of their skills as entertainers, music selectors and of course, their mixing abilities. While these are still valid reasons to book somebody, I think what got Frolic all of his bookings is the fact that his name was plastered on every single copy of the ONLY Hardcore source there was here in North America back then.
People get bookings because their names draw crowds.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
If he hadn't annoyed so many people in the scene or whatever he did to make himself unpopular I think he would still be the face of Happy Hardcore in the US today and maybe his mixing and stuff would have improved over time. In his defence though he never wanted to be a DJ apparently.
I don't know, I doubt he was that unpopular at all. I'm not sure what is the reason for ending Hullabaloo, but it could be plenty of things other than scene drama. The proportions of parties had already started to go down considerably, maybe he wanted to end it while it was still strong? He was also expecting a child.
I could also believe that it wasn't his first ambition to become a dj. The man did what he had to do to bring Happy Hardcore to North America, but he clearly focused most of his efforts on the promotion side, and not behind the decks.
i read an article on another website awhile back that he had alot of problems after someone died at one of his events & that was why he stopped doing them.
Oh, that actually happened in 1999, 6 years before the end of Hullabaloo. After the stabbing incident occured, they had to cancel the next show, and downsize the event, which was drawing over 4000 people at that time. I don't believe that this is directly related to the end of Hullabaloo, though.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 21:44:04
as far as i can remember, he did leave the scene b/c of his newborn son. it took out a lot of his time for him and robin, his wife. in fact before he stopped throwing the hullabaloo parties, he stopped happyhourradio. a few other djs retired along with him when hullabaloo ended. so that may say that there was another reason why hullabaloo had to end. and i see that his hypnosis talent took off, i actually never believed that would amount to anything lol.
and H2BH for $20? damn those must be at some mom & pop shops b/c that's way overpriced! the most i paid for mine was at soundwaves and it was $16, it was the 7th chapter, the last 1 produced under the Moonshine Label. as far as him stiffing producers for royalties on the H2BH series, that's really something that should've been taken up with Moonshine, not him. there is the exception of his ch. 8 lost tracks cd, the one he created as a promotion to labels to keep the series alive. i'm not sure whether he actually used it for promotion to other labels or not, but he has been selling them on ebay, and i believe he still is selling them, along with the rest of the chapters in the series. the cd comes in a cd case with artwork and tracklisting, just like the rest of the chapters. he is definitely stiffing producers on paying royalties for that album.
as far as i can remember, he wasn't booked a lot for raves outside of canada. a few in US and he had an Australian tour. for awhile he couldn't do anything outside of canada b/c of failing to complete proper documentation.
regardless of his character, most ppl in the US have him to thank because he was the only available outlet for happy/uk hardcore in North America, as Matricks said. the only other cds in the genre i could find in stores were from Omar Santana, which was always more gabber, some of DJ Venom's earlier cds, and the Highborn label (happyhardcorefoundation series, world of scott brown, dougal, breeze etc., & the best of force & styles double cd). when resources are scarce, you take what u can get.
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 22:45:04
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
as far as i can remember, he did leave the scene b/c of his newborn son. it took out a lot of his time for him and robin, his wife. in fact before he stopped throwing the hullabaloo parties, he stopped happyhourradio. a few other djs retired along with him when hullabaloo ended. so that may say that there was another reason why hullabaloo had to end. and i see that his hypnosis talent took off, i actually never believed that would amount to anything lol.
and H2BH for $20? damn those must be at some mom & pop shops b/c that's way overpriced! the most i paid for mine was at soundwaves and it was $16, it was the 7th chapter, the last 1 produced under the Moonshine Label. as far as him stiffing producers for royalties on the H2BH series, that's really something that should've been taken up with Moonshine, not him. there is the exception of his ch. 8 lost tracks cd, the one he created as a promotion to labels to keep the series alive. i'm not sure whether he actually used it for promotion to other labels or not, but he has been selling them on ebay, and i believe he still is selling them, along with the rest of the chapters in the series. the cd comes in a cd case with artwork and tracklisting, just like the rest of the chapters. he is definitely stiffing producers on paying royalties for that album.
as far as i can remember, he wasn't booked a lot for raves outside of canada. a few in US and he had an Australian tour. for awhile he couldn't do anything outside of canada b/c of failing to complete proper documentation.
regardless of his character, most ppl in the US have him to thank because he was the only available outlet for happy/uk hardcore in North America, as Matricks said. the only other cds in the genre i could find in stores were from Omar Santana, which was always more gabber, some of DJ Venom's earlier cds, and the Highborn label (happyhardcorefoundation series, world of scott brown, dougal, breeze etc., & the best of force & styles double cd). when resources are scarce, you take what u can get.
yeah as i say they cost me $15-$25 each from Best Buy. the not working outside of Canada was in North America as he was banned for not getting a work visa. i have all of the Highborn Records albums & almost all are rereleases of UK albums just with different names.
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2010/09/19 22:45:21
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 22:46:04
quote:Originally posted by Starstruck:
Deary Son of the Lord! That is the worst mixing I've heard!!! Lol! I never knew he was that bad.
lol one thing thats good about that mix tho is the tracklisting, but that doesnt make up for the shocking mixing lol anyone know what event its from ?
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2010/09/19 22:46:34
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 22:59:46
this was recorded at candy pop a great rave it was! here is another mix this time from candy rave http://rapidshare.com/files/419312516/Candy_Rave.rar.html with DJ Vibes set on other side of the tape. enjoy! my favourite dj amazing he is
raindancerob Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,588 posts Joined: Sep, 2008
Posted - 2010/09/19 : 23:17:55
dont have a Rapidshare account so cant download, not that im bothered it'l probs be shit if its owt like the other one that you posted lol
Alert moderatorEdited by - raindancerob on 2010/09/19 23:22:42
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