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DJ Lawlzy
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 18:24:21

^this whole thread.

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Mortis
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 19:43:37

quote:
Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
i'm quite happy with 192kbps

perhaps if i was a CDJ instead of just a regular turntable DJ i would be picky (especially if i was playing out CDs)

but otherwise 192kbps, i dont like anything lower than that though!

When I'm making a mix 192 just doesn't cut it. 320 across the board is fine for me however I'd prefer wav or FLAC but I begrudge paying that little extra for them when I don't get anything in return.

quote:
Originally posted by z121231211:
I still don't know how people can tell the difference between WAVs and 320MP3s.
I guess my ears are just that untrained, I can only tell the low quality from a bad CD rip or Youtube rip.

Key points in bold. When you've been listening to or making songs for a length of time then you really do hear the difference between the two. For years I couldn't hear the difference between 128 & 320. Try playing the same song side by side in both FLAC or wav and 320 mp3. You should be able to hear the crisp high end of the FLAC or wav where as the mp3 will generally have a boxed off type of sound where it limits the high end slightly. MP3's have a glossy sound overall usually. It's hard to explain until you hear it for yourself. It's similar to a limiter on a track.

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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 20:16:37

quote:
Originally posted by z121231211:
I still don't know how people can tell the difference between WAVs and 320MP3s.
I guess my ears are just that untrained, I can only tell the low quality from a bad CD rip or Youtube rip.

There isn't a great deal of appreciable difference between 320 kbps and wave. And for the average person, none at all. The actual difference is certainly there. Being able to hear it in any given circumstance is different.
I can definitely hear the difference, but it's not such that i would significantly lose any enjoyment from listen to a 320 kbps mp3 vs wave.

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Edited by - Hard2Get on 2010/11/02 20:18:06

MAtRiCks
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 20:38:57

The difference in quality between MP3 and WAV isn't that important to the home listener, a.k.a. most users of Hardcore forums. The difference in quality has more impact when the song is played at high volume, in raves.

Eitherway, there is more to MP3 vs WAV or 320 vs 192 kbps than the actual sound quality, since the reason we use compression in the first place is to save storage space and bandwidth. The thing is, this is becoming less and less of an issue with the average storage size of hard drives these days.

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Edited by - MAtRiCks on 2010/11/02 20:41:16

Ken Masters
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 22:01:20

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Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
The thing is, this is becoming less and less of an issue with the average storage size of hard drives these days.

This is very true. Why can't we forget about all this space saving crap & get back to what really matters...THE MUSIC!

When I finally release my first track, i'll be a bit sad that what the customer is hearing isn't EXACTLY as I made it. Mabey i'm just a fussy bugger but like it has been mentioned before, once the ears are trained you can sertainly tell the difference. I will break down an cry if I see if going at 192! = P

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sashman15
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Posted - 2010/11/02 : 22:39:42

quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
The difference in quality between MP3 and WAV isn't that important to the home listener, a.k.a. most users of Hardcore forums. The difference in quality has more impact when the song is played at high volume, in raves.

Though I have no experience with raves, I can definitely relate with this.

Think about it this way, you know the TINY EENSY WEENSY bit of difference you hear between 192 and 320? Well, take that and multiply that audience, noticable difference by 10,000.

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choonland
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 03:54:24

who wants 320kbps of musical crap??
if the music is good I honestly dont mind 128 or even 116

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acidfluxxbass
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 04:23:08

quote:
Originally posted by choonland:
who wants 320kbps of musical crap??
if the music is good I honestly dont mind 128 or even 116

Yeah but if you bought an mp3 for 1 (ish) - would you want it to be 112/128 or 320 (like everything else)???

If i got a 112 mp3 from itunes, I'd be livid.

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latininxtc
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 05:18:32

quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:

quote:
Originally posted by choonland:
who wants 320kbps of musical crap??
if the music is good I honestly dont mind 128 or even 116

Yeah but if you bought an mp3 for 1 (ish) - would you want it to be 112/128 or 320 (like everything else)???

If i got a 112 mp3 from itunes, I'd be livid.

i'm livid about getting anything from itunes, regardless of bitrate :p

actually i'm ok with the 256kbps it puts out, just not liking that it's all in aac format

and damn this topic for turning into another 320 vs lower bitrate argument lol

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Lilley
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 12:43:15

quote:
Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
You miss the point entirely. There is a difference, a substantial difference, between a 192 and a 320... I'm bemused to how you cant understand that.

Maybe for real music. For music that is as basic as edm (seriously, its a simple riff that wouldn't deviate by 1000 hz from top to bottom, a bass line, a kick and snare - ffs, it's not a classical symphony or a thrash metal recording), 192 may not be completely perfect, but will certainly suffice.

The upper qualities really only start to become necessary for music that ranges the majority of the audio spectrum in one (sorry for this) differentiable point of time.

quote:
Originally posted by z121231211:
I still don't know how people can tell the difference between WAVs and 320MP3s. And even at that, being able to tell the difference at live events.

They can't. Not without $x00 headphones and equivalent amp. As long as the mp3 has been encoded with a decent encoder, if the things on your ears cost less than $100 then you will hear no difference.

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Originally posted by z121231211:
I guess my ears are just that untrained, I can only tell the low quality from a bad CD rip or Youtube rip.

For the best quality at cheapest price, look for akg k319. One of the fastest drivers around for the price. I absolutely love mine.

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Edited by - Lilley on 2010/11/03 13:27:56

Lilley
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 12:50:59

quote:
Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
The difference in quality has more impact when the song is played at high volume, in raves.

Actually, I would disagree here and say that raves are too loud. The drivers are putting so much effort into producing the thump that other parts get left off. Even if the drivers were producing the sound perfectly, the eardrums would be getting overloaded and not reproducing the music correctly.

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Samination
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Posted - 2010/11/03 : 14:04:22

if you intend to stick to MP3, and want to save some space, stick with ABR @ 320kb/s

Anyways, I can tell the different from an 320kb MP3 and 320kb AAC/MP4 (and WAV). But like someone said, it depends on how the track is made. If you made a track that barely have any high frequencies, you could encode a good song at 192kb

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Sam Swift
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Posted - 2010/11/05 : 05:16:29

Scott Brown has seemed to be the punching bag of the scene lately. The guy is a legend and deserves more respect than that. Why don't you send him an email and ask him instead of slating him infront of everyone??

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