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Future_Shock
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 Posted - 2011/01/22 : 14:45:08
Warning: Long (ish)
So me and a mate of mine decided to go into business together (first mistake).
The deal was specifically we'd be doing house parties and stuff (we always ended up playing people's house parties and we were like **** it, why not charge for it) and then on the side we'd be making music together. Split everything 50/50.
Sounds simple right? except, apparently, it's not.
Little things have been tipping me off from the beginning that it might not have been a good idea. Namely, whenever we were talking about gigs or music he would always say soemthing like "IM playing this gig tonight, come and support ME" (even though we were both there) or, check out MY new track (even though he doesn't produce in the slightest, and it was basically all me, bar some cool ideas from him). I had a go at things like that at him being like come on man this is meant to be a team - whatever.
So about two weeks ago, we brought in another mate of ours who does lighting, and he would come along to the gigs, set up all the lights and we'd give him a cut (he was bringing like 4K worth of equipment) right? simple.
so tonight i find out, through facebook, that there was a gig on tongiht. Having heard nothing about it, i investigated. The mate who i made the original agreement with (let's call him mate 'a') contacted the lighting guy (mate 'b') and said yo we have a gig tonight, come and practice with me. It's a paid gig.
I spoke to mate A on the phone earlier, and he didn't mention any of this to me. So when i messaged him about it, this is pretty much how it went. I'll type the exact text messages.
Me: "um what? dude is there a gig tonight?"
Mate A: "yeah it's for a friend's little brother"
Me: "so you and mate B are going to a paid gig... and this isn't something you thought you should mention to me?"
Mate A: "well maybe, but it was last minute thing. Not only to mention i'm only getting $150 out of it, and i asked mate B to come so he could practice. Soz, i probably should have mentioned, but it's not a real gig" (i was thinking... you're getting paid to dj for a set amount of hours you were booked... what is it.. a fake gig? LOL)
Me: Yeah, i get that, but shouldn't we be practicing as well? This isn't really feeling like that much of a team, man..."
and no reply. This was almost 8 hours ago, he's well home from the gig, and iwas messaging him before he left.
Am i being unreasonable or should i be opting out of this agreement asap?
My personal thoughts is that if he's doing this sort of thing this early on, it's probably a taste of what's to come. It's not so much about the money as it is about the fact he didn't even tell his partner about it. We've got business cards and designs done and shit for this enterprise - with both our names on it. And even when i had let him know he'd done the wrong thing - there was no "oh sorry i didn't think it was that big of a deal - come along and play the gig with me" just no reply. That seems like a big "**** you" to me. Discuss.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 14:58:16
No your not being unreasonable. Clearly a prick, avoid at all costs as he is just going to **** you over time and time again.
'Not only to mention i'm only getting $150 out of it,' translates to 'I'm a selfish bastard and would rather **** my friend over for money than give him his share'.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 15:04:53
Seems like you're getting abused for career planing of another person. What an a......!
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tru bass
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 15:05:36
I'd have a sit down with him and say "you're being a tosser"
explain everything he's done wrong to him and if he acnowledges it then cautiously carry on, if not, go and do it yourself, who needs a seemingly untalented partner who pisses you about?
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 15:21:09
Im with everyone else here - go with trubass' advice!
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 16:02:38
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 16:07:03
I don't think it makes any difference if he acknowledges it or not. The fact he has to even tell him means there is no hope.
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 16:49:59
Of course this isn't fair at all, mostly because you never got to know about the gig.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 16:55:17
This is why you don't go into business with anyone unless you TRULY trust them.
Otherwise the lure of money and profit, greed if you will, will take over if they aren't very trustworthy in the first place. The business of life, sadly, is how can I make it? How can I make a profit, get ahead. People would rather think for themselves, then everyone (a two person team, or a whole group), and do everything in their power to get ahead over everyone else.
My advice: Drop the agreement, and get out as fast as you can. If he's doing this now with small time stuff, then you can bet he'll do it with big time gigs. "Oh I called you.. but type in the wrong number and didn't know it, so I couldn't get through and just took the gig for me and my other buddy who wants to go 75/25 (him making less). We'll go next time bro!"
Never trust anyone if you don't actually know them as a good friend, and someone you absolutely know you can trust, because more times then not they'll try to get themselves ahead over you.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 17:13:49
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think it makes any difference if he acknowledges it or not. The fact he has to even tell him means there is no hope.
was thinking the same thing just cut him loose and go ur own way. make sure you take the lighting guy with you too!
are you part of any group or company already? not sure how y'all do things there, but here in Houston every dj that successfully gets gigs is part of 1 or maybe more groups, with the hopes of sharing gigs. there are always the leaders who get a little more, but they treat the others very well and give them more opportunities than they would get if they went at it solo. works mostly for djs who spin more mainstream edm but there are many groups who try to be as diverse as possible
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 17:42:36
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
Little things have been tipping me off from the beginning that it might not have been a good idea. Namely, whenever we were talking about gigs or music he would always say soemthing like "IM playing this gig tonight, come and support ME" (even though we were both there) or, check out MY new track (even though he doesn't produce in the slightest, and it was basically all me, bar some cool ideas from him). I had a go at things like that at him being like come on man this is meant to be a team - whatever.
pretty much at this paragraph is where I shook my head. I've seen this happen alot, drop them like a hot brick - it only goes downhill from there on. I know it sounds maybe ruthless or negative but people like that will really screw you up in the long run, better for you and for them if you each take your own path. You may sort things out but if you fall apart you're bound to bring that up or at least hold it against him.
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Revs
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 17:59:20
Yeah what an ass. Definitely not your fault! Mate B probably didn't even know it was a paid gig and mate A took all of the $150 or perhaps said they only get 50 for it, wouldn't surprise me to be honest.
I'd show him this thread! haha
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 18:01:17
Sounds like another example of the many egocentric nobodies we've met over the years.
You noticed right from the start ie; "I'M playing this gig... support ME".
That is how he sees it. You are just being used mate.
F*ck him off. (but bear in mind that he will have no conscience about bad-mouthing you should the need arise....)
To answer your question -"So... Does this seem fair?" No it isn't. He's a *unt.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 18:01:23
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Yeah what an ass. Definitely not your fault! Mate B probably didn't even know it was a paid gig and mate A took all of the $150 or perhaps said they only get 50 for it, wouldn't surprise me to be honest.
I would say it's almost certain given that he didn't even tell Andy at all. He only will have told the lighting dood because he needs him.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/01/22 : 18:17:00
So there you have it Andy, a unanimous vote. Also while it's clear you should not go into bussiness with him, it's also clear that you probably don't want to remain friends with him if he's like that lol.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2011/01/23 : 07:35:23
thanks for all the replies guys.
I was quite pissed off last night but after sleeping on it, im not longer pissed off, but this definitely isn't benefiting me at all - so why bother?
I dont want to have to worry about my partner doing dodgy deals on the side, making decisions without telling me, or just generally dogging me for money. It's not worth the extra stress.
It's gone as far as his girlfriend of two years, and our other common best friends telling me that he's being a dickhead and i should bail on this deal - and it's looking like a good idea.
Still no response to that message and no call today pretty much says to me he knows he did the wrong thing and he can't justify it. so that's it, i'm out. This sort of thing will just keep happening and i'll keep getting pissed off. Not worth the stress.
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