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llamawrangler
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 Posted - 2011/09/15 : 01:46:40
Am I the only one that really wants this guide to be updated? It fascinated me when I first got into electronic music, but now I wish it would classify newer music as well. I don't think it has been updated since 2003, and since then, not only have tons of new genres developed (dubstep being the most obvious to me), but almost every one of those genres has radically changed since 2003. The happy hardcore part sounds nothing like modern happy hardcore at all. The hardstyle section has this same problem, and he could also discuss how hardstyle vs. nustyle has split up the hardstyle community. The rise of House and Dubstep becoming popular by dead mau5 and skrillex would be important to note too, as before then no one in my school would have known those genres.
All in all, it would be awesome if this guide was updated. I like to show some of my friends this guide, but the problem is these sound clips and descriptions are very outdated now.
Also, if you have no idea what I am talking about, look here: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 02:00:17
Well it's not serious to begin with and no one should actually be taking it seriously. Although i guess it is actually better than nothing whatsoever if you know nothing about electronic music. Someone should make a proper/more accurate version.
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llamawrangler
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 02:27:53
True, it isn't serious, but I just find it interesting to look at how genres evolved.
I definitely agree though, someone should make a complete, serious version. That would be amazing
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silver
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 02:35:28
It's called Ishkur's Guide for a reason, it's Ishkur's Guide and you can't help him. I recommend you make your own, it would be quicker to update.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 07:48:25
I started making something...
http://www.stopcallingittechno.com
it's going to be a watered down less retarded version of ishkars guide
http://stopcallingittechno.com/?page_id=5
whole thing needs a revamp now..
theres still a thread here about it
http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=48603
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 07:56:04
and in less flash :P
Still, you can't deny that it atleast tries to take songs from said genre and present it to the mass. You could ignore what he writes about them, we all know that he's a massive cnt anyways.
but sometimes it does take an outsider to get it to work :P
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/09/15 : 08:07:56
I like the flash aspect of that bit - i just need to make a proper site to go with it
as that one was thrown together in a matter of seconds!
the rest of the site would be the non-flash version if you get my meaning
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 02:00:11
I just wish he would take Dougal & Gammber out of the "Trancecore" selection.
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Revs
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 10:58:29
Well, I think the best guide is still this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance_music
It's objective and clear. Each genre has it's own page, and leads to other subgenres. The only thing that people should add would be more samples imo.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 11:08:35
its wiki, its as objective as ishkur ffs
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 11:09:07
^ agreed
"EDM" still makes me chuckle though, you can tell the abbreviation is such an American thing to do. since "dance" was chucked in the mix in the UK its always been just 'Dance Music'
EDM "electronic" dance music, as if "electronic" (E) really needed to be added, was clearly just to make dance music "ok" to listen to in the states, as it is over there its always been entirely unacceptable to like anything that is deamed "techno" (used as a blanket term for anything that is vaguely electronic, being completely dismissive of anything that is actually truely "techno" in the real sense of the word/genre
I guess they had to strike on somthing since Dubstep rose to fame, couldn't be seen to be listening to anything that is "techno"...its EDM ffs! :P
on my lunchbreak - thought i would shoot off about the only thing that annoys me about the states - or at least what annoyed me when i lived there..
i love you guys really!
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Revs
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 11:14:13
But "dance music" could be anything, it doesn't have to be electronic :) Salsa, Jazz, Blues and even Rock are types of dance music, but not electronic dance music ;) For us it appears obvious that dance music is only trance, house, hardcore, drum and bass etc, but that's wrong - like the name says, it's DANCE music, music made to dance to :) but then again it could vary for everyone because some people would find it e.g. too fast to dance to, others too slow :P
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 11:41:15
it worked for the past 20 years - rock music is rock music, classical music is classical music, dance music is dance music
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etc etc etc
the only thing that has changed is people wanting to make it sound cool so that their friends will let them listen to it without being bullied that its not rap, rock or country music
most music incorperates electronics somewhere down the line, be it SFX, Keyboards, or just mastering - so the "E" element doesnt even hold up that well under that either
besides - what happens when dance music uses non-electronic elements? wheres that line of distinction? ;)
NEDM? non-electronic-dance-music?
not even doom music?
Americans werent allowed to listen to Dance music when it was all labeled "techno"...but now EDM is here, everyone is saved! :P
seriously though, its not somthing that bothers me like that - Id take EDM over calling everything "techno" anyday! - I just think that with everyone raving on about "EDM" the whole history of it has been left behind - the wiki EDM entry has appeared as if everyone has always called it EDM - but abbreviateing Dance Music to EDM didnt spring up till around about 2004, when suddenly it became OK to like dubstep in the states...which led to a conflict of personality ..a load of americans dead set against "Techno"...but yet wanting to listen to a subgenre of dance music.....thus EDM was subtlely born :P
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Revs
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 13:04:43
Yeah but americans... are americans :P
I agree with the Dance Music term being used in the past 20 years, but it's still wrong, it's a bit like when everyone says "Jeep" to any offroad car but actually Jeep is a trademark/brand. Here everyone says Dance Music to what we now know as EDM, but in fact dance music should be music you can dance to.
And if it uses non-electronic elements - it's still electronic dance music because probably these elements are not real instruments, just VSTs or other, and if they are real, it was still all done in a sequencer on a computer, where these elements have been mixed with the other electronic elements, where electronic effects and stuff were added to them. I wouldn't say a song is "non-electronic" because of one instrument, in that case you could say nothing's electronic because: the kicks used in EDM have their roots in real kicks, and therefore they're real instruments (or real elements) but just "remade", synthesizers are guitars which were "redone", and auto-tune is there to skip singing lessons and to gain time and loose quality :P
ok that last part of my post with the comparisons of kicks and synths was weird :P
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 13:12:45
hehe
Dance music is still dance music in either sense that it is both music you can dance to, and also dance music as in electronically driven music.
which is why both Dance Music and Electronic Dance Music are correct
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/09/16 : 13:30:32
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Originally posted by Revs:
Yeah but americans... are americans :P
I agree with the Dance Music term being used in the past 20 years, but it's still wrong, it's a bit like when everyone says "Jeep" to any offroad car but actually Jeep is a trademark/brand. Here everyone says Dance Music to what we now know as EDM, but in fact dance music should be music you can dance to.
And if it uses non-electronic elements - it's still electronic dance music because probably these elements are not real instruments, just VSTs or other, and if they are real, it was still all done in a sequencer on a computer, where these elements have been mixed with the other electronic elements, where electronic effects and stuff were added to them. I wouldn't say a song is "non-electronic" because of one instrument, in that case you could say nothing's electronic because: the kicks used in EDM have their roots in real kicks, and therefore they're real instruments (or real elements) but just "remade", synthesizers are guitars which were "redone", and auto-tune is there to skip singing lessons and to gain time and loose quality :P
ok that last part of my post with the comparisons of kicks and synths was weird :P
You're way over thinking it. It's just a word that everyone understands to refer to a kind of music. It's literal meaning is completely irrelevant. Also 'EDM' is stupid yes for every reason Triquatra says it is, and because it just sounds stupid.
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