Ranzor Junior Member
Australia
83 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2012/10/14 : 10:47:57
quote:Also, did Speedcore come before or after Gabber?
I THINK speedcore came after gabber, because speedcore contains some gabber elements such as distorted 909 bass drums and its aggressive nature. I'm also guessing that producers are trying to be more extreme than gabber (which means gabber must exist first) and they were thinking "Hey, let's turn the BPM up past 300 with lots of distorted kicks!! This is gonna be awesome!!!!". I made that last part up of course, but that's the only way I can think of how speedcore originated.
quote:Plus, where exactly would Hardstyle and Industrial Hardcore / Frenchcore stem from?
I'm not too sure about industrial hardcore or frenchcore, but I do know that hardstyle originated from hard trance and, well, hard trance originated from trance.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,221 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/10/14 : 11:51:00
didnt hardstyle just copy dutch hardcore? or was that jumpstyle?
and like Ranzor said, considering Gabber is a fast genre to begin with :P
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2012/10/14 : 12:18:49
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
didnt hardstyle just copy dutch hardcore? or was that jumpstyle?
This is perfect example of why i would prefer not to say that i like Hardstyle to people, because of the name being associated with the modern shite that sounds like that. Since about 2007 and getting progressively worse it is just pretty much slowed down and watered down Nu Style, with the kick being used as a bassline (absolutely awful). The Hardstyle that existed before that is amazing, and is essentially a completely different genre.
Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2012/10/14 : 21:49:21
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
didnt hardstyle just copy dutch hardcore? or was that jumpstyle?
This is perfect example of why i would prefer not to say that i like Hardstyle to people, because of the name being associated with the modern shite that sounds like that. Since about 2007 and getting progressively worse it is just pretty much slowed down and watered down Nu Style, with the kick being used as a bassline (absolutely awful). The Hardstyle that existed before that is amazing, and is essentially a completely different genre.
I've never been a supporter of Hardstyle, but I'd agree. After Hardtrance died out in the end of the 90's Hardstyle was created in exchange. After it became popular like 7 years ago, Gabba producers simply slowed down their music for gaining profits. Jumpstyle came right afterwards: Hardstyle and Jumpstyle are musical twins. And the hype about Hardstyle finally ended when Scooter started to release their horrible copied tracks. No wonder why they're after Dubstep atm.
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Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2012/10/14 : 22:31:49
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I actually think Hard Trance peaked a couple of years after 1999. Before then it was good but it wasn't as hard.
Might be that you sense Hardtrance being what I'd been calling Dutch Trance back those days. I don't know! All those different names and different ways of interpretations are confusing me. But Germany has been dead of Hardtrance since 1997: killed by stupid MTV and Hip-Hop-crap!
I like the Hardtrance from the starting back in the beginning of the 90's to the Happy Hardcore influenced peak during the middle of the 90's.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2012/10/15 : 23:24:31
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
quote:Originally posted by Josephson_Junction:
quote:Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Here does hardfloor and hardtek come into this? :P
Speaking of that, Darwin's remix of Unlock Ya Brain is just great.
In all seriousness though, how would I link hardfloor and hardtek to hardcore in the timeline?
And to my personal question: wtf is Hardscape?
It's a genre that CLSM coined the term for, but it was mostly a style of hardcore that he produced off the top of my head I can't think of another producer who delved into it. Here's an example of it
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,221 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2012/10/16 : 05:24:08
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
And to my personal question: wtf is Hardscape?
It's a genre that CLSM coined the term for, but it was mostly a style of hardcore that he produced off the top of my head I can't think of another producer who delved into it. Here's an example of it
It was trying to be the new freeform. I'm glad it never caught on, as someone told me once before that this was the way NuNRG crew where going to take (or similar).
Also, there where a few other artists who made hardscapish tracks except CLSM/Jon Doe. The Acolyte/Orbit1 had a few.
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Warnman Advanced Member
Germany
2,677 posts Joined: Jun, 2010
Posted - 2012/10/16 : 19:03:54
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Warnman:
And to my personal question: wtf is Hardscape?
It's a genre that CLSM coined the term for, but it was mostly a style of hardcore that he produced off the top of my head I can't think of another producer who delved into it. Here's an example of it
My question was asked more in a more theoretic way. I know Cotts' mix from Hardcore Revolution. Some tracks are very interesting, but I hav't found out what makes this "genre" special enough to deserve existance. For me it simply sounds like one of many ways how Hardcore can sound. It's like I'd start to compare between Hixxy and Scott Brown. Both sound different, but have produced proper Hardcore.
And even if we'd agree that Hardscape deserves it's own originality, where would it fit in this graphic?
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