I still have a lot of trouble knowing the differences between Gabber and Mainstream hardcore for instance.
First, is it correct that Gabber is the same as Early Hardcore? Hardcore before year 2000.
And that Mainstream Hardcore is the same as Nu Gabber and is Hardcore after year 2000 more or less? For instance music by Angerfist?
And can't Hardcore music from after year 2000 be Gabber? For instance a Hardcore track from last year?
Is it true that both Gabber and Mainstream Hardcore has a very heavily distorted bass kick drum? Because I thought it only was mainstream hardcore there had that element. Or is it only gabber? I find the explanations on the Internet so confusing!
To make it a bit easier, perhaps a couple of examples will help:
- Neophyte vs Evil Activities - Alles Kapot - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
- Nosferatu - Hate Me Like A Pro - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
- Bodylotion - Happy Is Voor Hobo's - Gabber or Happy Hardcore? (UK Old Skool?)
- Angerfist - Sting Like A Scorpion - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
Hoping someone perhaps can spend a little time on me and answer my questions.
ultraskool Advanced Member
Australia
669 posts Joined: May, 2002
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 01:39:34
Ok, Gabber is a very confusing term because it should be classified under "Hardcore". When ROB G. released his track, "XTC you got what I need" he calls it "hardcore gabber". So My take on this is:
Gabber is a German form/word/phrase that describes that drum kicking' sound in "Voel Je Die Bass" By JDA not only that but if you listen tunes like "Prey" by Alienator.it's Hardcore Gabber. Both terms are interchangeable. However if you say UK Hardcore that sound is not often that kickdrum in Voel je die bass"
Hardcore is a more common term for this music. It's a bit hard to get your head around it but it depends on who's track it is and what promotion they are trying to get people to buy their records/CDs. DIfferent ppl will tell you different things but just the main thing is that all Gabber music is Hardcore virtually. It's a niche term for the German/Dutch/Belgian scene really.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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Posted - 2013/05/21 : 05:16:49
quote:Originally posted by Webweaver:
1 - Neophyte vs Evil Activities - Alles Kapot - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
2 - Nosferatu - Hate Me Like A Pro - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
3 - Bodylotion - Happy Is Voor Hobo's - Gabber or Happy Hardcore? (UK Old Skool?)
4 - Angerfist - Sting Like A Scorpion - Gabber or Mainstream Hardcore?
I presume, as I've never seen Evil Activties or Angerfists' name from any track from before 2000, I would class 1 and 4 as "Nustyle Gabber".
3 is definitly "oldskool", but should be called Gabber (I'm pretty sure it's a track that mocks Dutch Happy Hardcore, and it's definitly not UK Oldskool).
Since Nosferatu has made tracks ranging from mid 90's till today, I'm not sure what 2 is, but based on the name I presume it's nustyle (I haven't heard the track yet).
Gabber is mainly the faster stuff from the 90's (inbetween "Mainstream" and Speedcore), but has been generally used by Brittish Hardcore fans to make a difference between Brittish "UK Hardcore" and Dutch "Rotterdam Hardcore"/Nu-style Gabber (the stuff I presume you call "Mainstream").
quote:Originally posted by ultraskool:
Hardcore is a more common term for this music. It's a bit hard to get your head around it but it depends on who's track it is and what promotion they are trying to get people to buy their records/CDs. DIfferent ppl will tell you different things but just the main thing is that all Gabber music is Hardcore virtually. It's a niche term for the German/Dutch/Belgian scene really.
What he said :P
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ultraskool Advanced Member
Australia
669 posts Joined: May, 2002
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 07:17:51
yeah, Samination, THere is to be a distinction between the Nu-Style Gabber and Oldstyle (Oldskool Gabber) as well. For instance, any 'hardcore track pre-2000 is considered amongst the oldskool sound but the NuSkool Sound is just a 're-make' if you will of that sound with a lot more digital effects than the oldstyle.
Same with Nu Skool Happy Hardcore and Oldskool Happy Hardcore
Nu SKool dropped the breakbeats more often although the trend is coming back more recently
and OldSkool Happy hardcore was more breakbeat-oriented although tracks like "Ray of Light" by Select was paving the way for the Nu Skool sounds.
are you confused yet? LOL
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Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 08:32:22
Gabber is what English people call Dutch (and other countries) Hardcore and is not a proper name. 'Gabber' and Hardcore are the same thing. So pretty much what others have said.
Kebab Head Advanced Member
Wallis And Futuna Islands
645 posts Joined: Jan, 2012
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 08:53:30
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Gabber is what English people call Dutch (and other countries) Hardcore and is not a proper name. 'Gabber' and Hardcore are the same thing. So pretty much what others have said.
quote:Originally posted by ultraskool:
Ok, Gabber is a very confusing term because it should be classified under "Hardcore". When ROB G. released his track, "XTC you got what I need" he calls it "hardcore gabber". So My take on this is:
Gabber is a German form/word/phrase that describes that drum kicking' sound in "Voel Je Die Bass" By JDA not only that but if you listen tunes like "Prey" by Alienator.it's Hardcore Gabber. Both terms are interchangeable. However if you say UK Hardcore that sound is not often that kickdrum in Voel je die bass"
Hardcore is a more common term for this music. It's a bit hard to get your head around it but it depends on who's track it is and what promotion they are trying to get people to buy their records/CDs. DIfferent ppl will tell you different things but just the main thing is that all Gabber music is Hardcore virtually. It's a niche term for the German/Dutch/Belgian scene really.
Yeah, I know that Gabber is a subgenre of Hardcore. Hardcore is a wide term covering over Gabber, Mainstream Hardcore (Nu style gabber), Jungle, Breakbeat Hardcore and others ...
So what I'm hearing you say is, that two types of tracks who sound different in tone both can be Gabber, if the artist has "chosen" it to be Gabber?
But in general it is Gabber if it has the distorted bass-kick as in Voel Je Die Bass and is pre-2000?
You say that UK Hardcore rarely have the distorted bass such as Gabber has. Can you give an example on a typical UK Hardcore track, so I perhaps can tell them apart?
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I presume, as I've never seen Evil Activties or Angerfists' name from any track from before 2000, I would class 1 and 4 as "Nustyle Gabber".
3 is definitly "oldskool", but should be called Gabber (I'm pretty sure it's a track that mocks Dutch Happy Hardcore, and it's definitly not UK Oldskool).
Since Nosferatu has made tracks ranging from mid 90's till today, I'm not sure what 2 is, but based on the name I presume it's nustyle (I haven't heard the track yet).
Gabber is mainly the faster stuff from the 90's (inbetween "Mainstream" and Speedcore), but has been generally used by Brittish Hardcore fans to make a difference between Brittish "UK Hardcore" and Dutch "Rotterdam Hardcore"/Nu-style Gabber (the stuff I presume you call "Mainstream").
Ok, that's a quite simple conclusion regarding 1. and 4. Seems reasonable enough. Although we can conclude that it isn't Gabber, but how do I know that is necessarily is Nu style gabber then? Why isn't it UK Hardcore for instance? What are the diffenrences between these styles?
3. is "Oldskool", but should be called Gabber. Why is that? To use the example from another reply, where typical Gabber can be recognized from the Bass-kick in Voel Je Die Bass, then is nowhere near the same as in Happy Is Voor Hobo's? So is both really Gabber?
I think that Happy Is Voor Hobo's apparently has lots of elements from Dutch Happy Hardcore? Or am I wrong?. It is fast, has the "funny sounds and vocals" and that's why I would place it as Dutch Happy Hardcore. But as you say, the title of the track indicate a hole other story. More like a mock of Dutch Happy Hardcore assumingly. So that really confuses me? How to tell Dutch Happy Hardcore apart from Gabber then?
quote:Originally posted by kathryn:
Here is some 1995 Gabber, Hardcore
hardcore techno
Is Gabber and Hardcore Techno the same? I thought that Gabber is a subgenre of Hardcore and that Hardcore is the same as Hardcore Techno, but just a more popular term now a day?
Some of the elements you hear in the track linked to, is that what is called breakbeat elements? And those you don't really hear in nu style gabber anymore?
Kebab Head Advanced Member
Wallis And Futuna Islands
645 posts Joined: Jan, 2012
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 12:45:24
hardcore over the years has changed so much it doesn't really have a definition tbh
people are too quick to sub genre every last thing or slight change that it sorta lost all its original meaning (if it ever had one)
why people can't just tag everything as either hardcore for the happy, UK, euphoric song akmg stuff and hardcore techno for the harder gabba stuff is beyond me
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