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Breakbeat Jon
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 Posted - 2013/10/21 : 17:41:54
Ham was always at his best making breakbeat hardcore, so it seems obvious to follow in the footsteps of Hype, SS and the rest of the early hardcore pioneers and make the logical move into a breakbeat based genre like DnB. Pointless making stuff for a scene that in general ignores the style.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/10/21 : 19:14:23
Is Drum'n Bass in the U. K. really so much stronger than over here? For years in my home town there was a monthly club night, but since 2-3 years it vanished. They even play more Dark House and Techno than Drum'n Bass now.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/10/21 : 19:17:49
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Originally posted by Warnman:
Is Drum'n Bass in the U. K. really so much stronger than over here? For years in my home town there was a monthly club night, but since 2-3 years it vanished. They even play more Dark House and Techno than Drum'n Bass now.
Well it's more than likely stronger than UK hardcore in the UK.
HTID ITS attracts about 1,000 people. Innovation ITS, which is the D&B version and came a year before HTID ITS, attracts almost 3 times that much. Either there are far more D&B fanatics, or they are a much more dedicated group than the hardcore group.
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Thumpa
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Posted - 2013/10/21 : 20:40:10
Drum & bass is a constantly changing and progressing genre with a worldwide fanbase and a structured support system within labels to push and encourage new artists, for the better of the music.
Hardcore isn't.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2013/10/21 : 21:05:15
.... Yet.
I may have some sort of optimism disorder, but it is fixable if people actually let it be fixed.
I'll give it my/our all for another year.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 06:02:39
I kinda hope it really doesn't change (too much), because the way hardcore have sounded for the past 10-14 years is the reason I like it. If I didn't like it I would've listen to another genre. I also listen to Speed/Power Metal, which has sounded the same since the late 80's, yet it's still big, and what have they changed? the guys playing synths just gets newer synths.
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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 11:02:01
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Originally posted by Cyrax:
His Hamilton stuff is really good
The 'Schema' EP on Ram came out a while ago and i'm still listening to it regularly.
I would recommend
Hamilton -Echoes
Hamilton - Deep In My Heart
Hamilton - Get Together
Hamilton - You had it
Have heard some of his earlier drum n bass tunes but wasn't that big a fan of them. These tracks are good though. You had It is good and really like Get Together.
Always liked his breakbeat hardcore tracks (which would prefer to his drum n bass ones). Tracks like Get Hard, Don't Stop, Good In Da Neighbourhood.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 15:05:14
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Originally posted by Thumpa:
Drum & bass is a constantly changing and progressing genre with a worldwide fanbase and a structured support system within labels to push and encourage new artists, for the better of the music.
Hardcore isn't.
I think you're overestimating the effect of the industry and not putting enough weight on the fact that dnb just has fundamentally much more, and far broader, mainstream appeal.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 15:36:31
quote:
Originally posted by Elliott:
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
Drum & bass is a constantly changing and progressing genre with a worldwide fanbase and a structured support system within labels to push and encourage new artists, for the better of the music.
Hardcore isn't.
I think you're overestimating the effect of the industry and not putting enough weight on the fact that dnb just has fundamentally much more, and far broader, mainstream appeal.
Very true, the kicks in hardcore can be a bit much for some people
Rudimental - Waiting all night
is a very good example of how you can get DNB in the mainstream , I have a friend who was adamant that she didnt like DNB but I heard her caning this track ?
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djchexmixer
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 16:11:54
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Originally posted by Cyrax:
Very true, the kicks in hardcore can be a bit much for some people
Rudimental - Waiting all night
is a very good example of how you can get DNB in the mainstream , I have a friend who was adamant that she didnt like DNB but I heard her caning this track ?
Do you literally mean the kick drums can be a bit much for people? If so, do you mean the sheer number of them you're getting per minute? Cause Hard Style sure seems a heck of a lot more popular than Hardcore in my area and those kicks hit harder and heavier.
Cool song by the way. First time I'm hearing it, and wow at the number of views. I'm not a dnb expert... how come this has so many views? This reminds me of London Elektricity, but their vids don't have nearly as many views.
Is it the accompanying video? Is it this Kurt Yaeger fellow? Or do people think the song is that bad ass? It is a good song, don't get me wrong! I dig it.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 16:40:39
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Originally posted by djchexmixer:
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Originally posted by Cyrax:
Very true, the kicks in hardcore can be a bit much for some people
Rudimental - Waiting all night
is a very good example of how you can get DNB in the mainstream , I have a friend who was adamant that she didnt like DNB but I heard her caning this track ?
Do you literally mean the kick drums can be a bit much for people? If so, do you mean the sheer number of them you're getting per minute? Cause Hard Style sure seems a heck of a lot more popular than Hardcore in my area and those kicks hit harder and heavier.
Cool song by the way. First time I'm hearing it, and wow at the number of views. I'm not a dnb expert... how come this has so many views? This reminds me of London Elektricity, but their vids don't have nearly as many views.
Is it the accompanying video? Is it this Kurt Yaeger fellow? Or do people think the song is that bad ass? It is a good song, don't get me wrong! I dig it.
It's a combination of both the kick and the speed , because a lot of DNB is at the same speed as hardcore
The track has a lot of views because Rudimental broke into the English mainstream with this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABEGc8Dus0
And then their 2nd release was "waiting all night"
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/10/22 : 19:35:54
Thanks a lot for giving me your impressions about the Drum'n Bass scene on the island.
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Very true, the kicks in hardcore can be a bit much for some people
The normal persons out there will listen to whatever the media tells them to listen to: that's why I turned off my radio in my car all the time. When I was 10 years old you were able to listen to Happy Hardcore, Hardtrance and other Rave genres in normal media. After a few years MTV decided to say share the message "All ravers are gay!" to push their own American Hip-Hop-trash. And what happened? All people ran away from rave music and startet to listen to Hip-Hop instead and most electronic music vanished from normal media. A lot of people behave like pets and will do simply everything what the media tells them to do!
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/10/24 : 22:21:43
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Originally posted by Warnman:
Thanks a lot for giving me your impressions about the Drum'n Bass scene on the island.
quote:
Originally posted by Cyrax:
Very true, the kicks in hardcore can be a bit much for some people
The normal persons out there will listen to whatever the media tells them to listen to: that's why I turned off my radio in my car all the time. When I was 10 years old you were able to listen to Happy Hardcore, Hardtrance and other Rave genres in normal media. After a few years MTV decided to say share the message "All ravers are gay!" to push their own American Hip-Hop-trash. And what happened? All people ran away from rave music and startet to listen to Hip-Hop instead and most electronic music vanished from normal media. A lot of people behave like pets and will do simply everything what the media tells them to do!
Yeah, I agree, more or less.
I recall one particularly incredulous conversation I had a couple of years ago with a friend at a party or something which, heavily paraphrased, went something like this:
Me: I'm a big fan of UK hardcore.
Him: Why? Hardcore went out of fashion years ago.
I didn't really know how to respond. Although it was of some interest to me to hear that hardcore had been a trend in my area at any point in the last decade (the whole thing completely passed me by), the implication of what he was saying left me speechless. I didn't really know how to explain that my personal preferences were expressed independently of what was perceived as fashionable in society at any particular point in time. I didn't think people whose likes and dislikes were inextricably tied to social trends still existed after you left school. It was a powerful reminder of how fickle some people are.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/10/24 : 22:51:41
On the subject of hardcore's lack of mainstream appeal, I think it's largely a societal self-fulfilling prophecy. Hardcore isn't cool, it (arguably) hasn't been cool for a very long time and it possibly never will be cool again. That means that it isn't getting much mainstream exposure, it isn't working its way around social groups and, ultimately, new people aren't being given much chance to find out about it. When something's underground, you have to go out of your way to find it and be part of it which requires considerably more effort than listening to dubstep and getting your music suggestions from the front page of YouTube. The self-fulfilling aspect is that this lack of exposure propagates itself in a vicious cycle. If nobody new is hearing it, how does it become subject to mainstream exposure? Why would anyone want to provide coverage to an unpopular genre?
I believe there aren't that many people who would find hardcore fundamentally too fast and intense to ever listen to. I admit that a lot of people might feel that way on first hearing it but, as I'm sure we've all experienced, 170bpm quickly grows on you. So I don't really feel like there's anything intrinsically off-putting about the genre even though I accept that some people would have initial reservations about the speed. I genuinely believe that if you sit 10 random people (probably below a certain upper age limit) down and force them to listen to the entirety of a great hardcore track or two, more than a few of them will enjoy it. Perhaps there's some warped bias there because it's music that I love but my experiences of introducing people to hardcore seem to correlate with what I'm saying.
I really don't know where I was going with this anymore but it was something to do with hardcore actually being reasonably well-liked when given a chance by new people but still being unpopular. Probably something to do with the fact that it's not serious enough, conjures up images of heavy gurning and sounds a bit ridiculous to onlookers when you drive past in your car. I can't put my finger on it right now but, idk, it's like I could see why someone might think twice before admitting to being a hardcore fan -- and that probably doesn't do it any favours. I think it's a "pissing in the shower" type of deal: people identify with the music way more in private than they would be willing to admit to in public.
P.S. I do piss in the shower.
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/10/25 : 22:09:10
Very well said statement of you, Elliot! I liked reading every single line.
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I believe there aren't that many people who would find hardcore fundamentally too fast and intense to ever listen to. I admit that a lot of people might feel that way on first hearing it but, as I'm sure we've all experienced, 170bpm quickly grows on you.
This is something I've personally experienced as well. I was so focussed to Trance for many years after Happy Hardcore died out over here. Then Trance became slower and slower year after year just like House - and boring. When Hands-Up grew stronger first I was interested and hoped for a rave comeback for the first time, but quickly lost it after I noticed that a lot of this stuff are cheap melodies with a Pseudo-Hardcore beat and simple remakes.
After I found UK Hardcore for the very first time I was astonished by the rush of the music. After being hooked again by Hardcore since 4 years, now I have problems to listen to my old Trance file on the computer. All tracks seem to be so f**kin' slow and I really want to talk about what I feel when I listen to normal House these days. I know Chill-Out-areas who play more rave-able stuff. XD
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