Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/11/09 : 00:54:43
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
What a completely ridiculous question.
Why? And who are you? Hi!
Edit: The underlying implication is that a lot of those guys have been producing for a very long time now and may be considered rather jaded. The question is concerned primarily with whether they still actually enjoy hardcore as a genre or whether their participation in the scene is deterministic given their long-term involvement. After all, it is the obvious career choice for those guys now so why should it be obvious that they still enjoy doing it? If you didn't get that, I'm sorry.
The unusually strict hierarchical structure in hardcore, indirectly (and, arguably, directly) enforced by the top tier through apathy, suggests to me that a policy of protectionism and money-making is more important than cultivating a thriving hardcore scene.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
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Posted - 2013/11/09 : 01:18:13
Honestly you're speaking to the wrong crowd. I'd say over half of the ppl who regularly comment on here rarely, or flatout don't, go to events at all and don't enjoy the current hardcore scenes. So I'd say that overall we probably don't "love" hardcore more than they do.
I will say that we are way more knowledgeable than many of them. I mean if they don't have any idea what the fuck J-core and frenchcore are, then it's pretty obvious that they are so isolated from the rest of the hardcore scene and are engulfed in their own projects. The same thing goes with their superfans, pretty ignorant on all the facets in hardcore.
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/11/09 : 01:29:06
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
Honestly you're speaking to the wrong crowd. I'd say over half of the ppl who regularly comment on here rarely, or flatout don't, go to events at all and don't enjoy the current hardcore scenes. So I'd say that overall we probably don't "love" hardcore more than they do.
I will say that we are way more knowledgeable than many of them. I mean if they don't have any idea what the fuck J-core and frenchcore are, then it's pretty obvious that they are so isolated from the rest of the hardcore scene and are engulfed in their own projects. The same thing goes with their superfans, pretty ignorant on all the facets in hardcore.
Agreed on the second point mate. And probably on the first as well. You're right.
I'd separate "not particularly enjoying what's coming out at the moment" from "not loving hardcore" though. I think there's a subtle difference because I'm not really feeling a lot of recent stuff but I would still consider myself a massive fan of hardcore. I can't really explain it! If I wasn't a massive fan, I would've given up quite a while ago. But I keep hanging on and being optimistic because I have a lot of love for hardcore conceptually and for the sound that was still commonplace right up until a few years back. It's masochism, I tell you!
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Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 09:59:54
I think this is a good topic for discussion - therefore a good question.
I'm not sure whether I love Hardcore or not. I love it when the music best suits my tastes and there was a time when to me it just sounded perfect. It drew me in and had me hooked. So I love what Hardcore has been.
I don't love the state of Hardcore now. I think there's a lot of talent going to waste, because they all follow the same trends and they all make the same sort of stuff. I think the new Futureworld sound that Darren Styles has mainly pushed is a positive one, and a much needed swing away from the Dubcore stuff.
However, I can't say I particularly enjoy much more than I have. Freeform bores me senseless with this new minimal trend. Hardcore is back to melodic, but it has a far simpler build.
I like what Hardcore could be. I think it can be more than gimmicky nonsense all the time. It can be more than cheesy vocals and bizarre synths. I suppose I'd like some Hardcore to have a more mature appeal. An ideal mix for me would be one I can get lost in and really experience. Something like a deep trance mix, where it takes your mind somewhere else. I used to enjoy old Freeform mixes this way, AMS and Arkitech tracks in particular could do that.
What I'm trying to explain is extremely difficult.
As for whether I love Hardcore as a whole? Yes. It's why I'm here, it's why I tend to argue and voice my opinion so much. I'm very passionate about it. I don't like seeing it turning into a joke and the producers like Breeze and Gammer frustrate me incredibly with their general lack of professionalism about it. No one can take Hardcore seriously, and I don't blame them. I still remain very passionate about my own music, but largely I'm just producing content for the future. There's no point in sending it to labels anymore, so I'm just keeping it with me working on ways to creatively release it how I'll enjoy.
AceofSpades_Lorenzo Average Member
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 13:18:29
I don't think so, They spend quite a bit of time perfecting every track they make, They've invested their whole lives(& quite a bit of finances-studio equipment etc) into this genre, Their investment into Hardcore really isn't worth it unless they love it to a huge extent, Some of them could be do much bigger things than it. :x
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Elipton Advanced Member
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 13:58:08
quote:Originally posted by AceofSpades_Lorenzo:
I don't think so, They spend quite a bit of time perfecting every track they make, They've invested their whole lives(& quite a bit of finances-studio equipment etc) into this genre, Their investment into Hardcore really isn't worth it unless they love it to a huge extent, Some of them could be do much bigger things than it. :x
Perhaps, but thats quite short-sighted.
Why is it they show very little loyalty to their own creativity, and follow the trending styles like sheep. I don't really understand how you can compromise your own productions so that they appeal to more people or become viable to be on top releases like the Clubland X albums.
When you build a career out of a hobby or a passion, you have to do what's necessary to maintain that, right? It'd be a huge risk to pack that in. When you invest your lives into something, you'll compromise your music to sell more units and see more money.
It's also a case of sounding up-to-date. Now that Gammer and Styles have this new 'weird' synth melodic style, everyone else will have to move with that motion to sound like they're current. If they're deemed to play a dated or out-of-fashion sound, promoters won't want to book them. I assume that they see most of their money from playing events. In fact, that last point might be my most significant.
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