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Quicksilver
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 Posted - 2014/01/01 : 01:58:21
Just stumbled upon this interview. One particular thing Fracus says really is what I wish the Futureworld crew would take a page from.
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Basically we?ve always been about the more people who work together in Hardcore, the better, we don?t agree with the ?this is our crew? thing ? I think that?s a bad philosophy building fences around people. We?re a small enough scene as it is, we should be working together to push the scene as a whole.
I know I always speak highly of Hardcore Underground but this quote here strengthens my respect for the label. It also shows how true what Fracus says is, because of how many different producers and material they showcase and put on their albums. See a Clubland album, you know there'll be 90% Breeze, Styles and Hixxy and 10% other producers but all of those producers are signed to Futureworld more or less. Then take a look at HU2013 and HU6 and the maturity and sense of community really shows.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 02:21:19
I don't agree. If that's the case, then it's a whole scene pushing towards what, exactly?
Freeform seems to have its own goal of becoming it's own genre..
Powerstomp has become more established as a break-away sound..
The rest of Hardcore is just ticking-over until some miracle happens..
The more labels that trying doing something totally different and unique, the better. Thumpa and Rebuild has really taken a leap of faith with albums that have depended on sound, tangibility and visuals to being something new and interesting. That's good.
I'm trying to release music that also sounds unique and has tangibility and visuals to help it and I'm feeling my way for ways to be innovative and different.
I can't see a way forward for a genre and scene that works collectively toward an aimless goal... What is Hardcore aiming for, exactly? Until there's an end goal established, I encourage as many labels being innovative, different, and completely independent of other labels as possible.
I envy what labels in Japan are achieving with Hardcore. Their measures of creativity and innovation put the UK scene to shame, and no amount of CD's pushing the same old sound the same old way will help the UK scene catch up. We need a new solution, and unless a label really strives to find that ultimate answer, I discourage any producer or label to help any other label or producer to simply 'tick-over'.
'Ticking-over' is all we're achieving here.
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ultraskool
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 04:20:52
i think it's just a case of 'new genres' to entice 'new recruits' especially younger teens to get into the 'UK hardcore' sound if not 'Hardcore sounds'.
Which is all well and good.. in our ever expanding world of 'musical genres' .
how's 'Breakbeat hardkore' doing by the way?
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 06:17:17
Olly you make it sound like Fracus is trying to make a Borg collective out of the whole hardcore scene which is totally not what he means. I mean yes it is important to work together as a whole to push the scene and let it grow further, but there's no one saying that you have to all stay in line with the exact same sound and whatnot.
You are absolutely right that Rebuild does push tracks with unique sound that isn't normally heard of in the scene, but it wouldn't hurt that there were other entities in the hardcore scene that helped push that type of music too. That's the type of working together that Fracus meant. And it's working for them because so far Marc Smith has and album out on HU, but he still maintains his own label, Joey Riot and Kurt released Powerstomp and still retain their own label, and now Dougal and Gammer will finally release an album together, but that doesn't mean they are part of the HU label, but they're working together and utilizing their resources for both their gains. HU doesn't try and control or water down everyone's style and approach to the hardcore scene like a couple of labels have been doing as of late.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 07:38:15
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Originally posted by ultraskool:
i think it's just a case of 'new genres' to entice 'new recruits' especially younger teens to get into the 'UK hardcore' sound if not 'Hardcore sounds'.
Which is all well and good.. in our ever expanding world of 'musical genres' .
how's 'Breakbeat hardkore' doing by the way?
Have you forgotten that Hardcore has always done that? :P
the Eurodance vibes in the 90's,
the Trance influnces in early 2000,
the Electro flyshit droppings in mid 2000,
and the Dubstep, sorry Drumstep, catastrophy of late 2000.
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 15:36:45
Fracus & Darwin even includes Futureworld on their podcasts and albums. When was the last time you ever heard a Hardcore Underground tune played by Breeze or Styles? :P I just find HU's approach to be a lot more chilled out and sincere, more about the music than the money, than FW. HU are open to anything producers make (as far as I can tell) whilst if you were to submit tunes to FW they'd probably throw you right away in the trash can if they hadn't heard your name before or if it didn't sound exactly like Breeze, Styles or Gammer. :P
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Mickey Init
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 16:41:52
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
... whilst if you were to submit tunes to FW they'd probably throw you right away in the trash can if they hadn't heard your name before...
Or if they were any 'good' they'd say, "It won't sell unless you put a top-tier name to it, so let's put 'Breeze' vs. (insert name)." ...even though they had nothing to do with the production. I'm told that Breeze has been credited for solo productions in the past, even though he played no part whatsoever in their production/engineering.
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 17:09:38
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 17:38:53
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Yeah, that's right.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 18:17:51
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Yeah, that's right.
And yet people want Sy back why? lol
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 2014/01/01 : 19:31:26
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Mickey Init:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Yeah, that's right.
And yet people want Sy back why? lol
He still made awesome music. :P
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Posted - 2014/01/02 : 20:15:37
I'd interpret it that everybody should reduce producing clinically sterile mixed albums where about 95 % of the tracks are connected to only one producer or one label. We need more albums including tracks from different labels to introduce their sound to the world. Of course I understand that a published album of Mark Smith contains 100 % Mark Smith and that's totally allright. Even albums that play strictly only the music of one label is also fine, but we probably need more independent compilations as well.
Hardcore Underground is the no. 1 to my opinion. Only they should increase their pressure on the DJs they choose todo a mix. Also the other labels should stop squeezing out every single penny if an independant label uses one their owned tracks, especially if they consider the fact that it's actually free advertisement for them and their signed DJs.
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Posted - 2014/01/05 : 19:49:02
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Well that's kind of shocking tbh! that any producer would put their name to a track that they had absolutely no hand in making what so ever
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Posted - 2014/01/06 : 10:25:42
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Well that's kind of shocking tbh! that any producer would put their name to a track that they had absolutely no hand in making what so ever
This is a practice called Ghost Production. It isn't that surprising as there are loads of people in the EDM scene doing such a practice just to get their names out there or take a ride on a meteorite. But in this case, probably the reverse as it seems that Topvibe was the one doing the work but Sy just wanted to slot his name in to take some getaway credits off Topvibe.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/01/06 : 10:59:23
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Originally posted by Charger:
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Well that's kind of shocking tbh! that any producer would put their name to a track that they had absolutely no hand in making what so ever
This is a practice called Ghost Production. It isn't that surprising as there are loads of people in the EDM scene doing such a practice just to get their names out there or take a ride on a meteorite. But in this case, probably the reverse as it seems that Topvibe was the one doing the work but Sy just wanted to slot his name in to take some getaway credits off Topvibe.
I always assume ghost producing was pretty much someone with no ability whatsoever just sitting next to a producer throwing in one or two ideas. At least that's some form of involvement. What Sy did is scandalous, and is quintessential of everything wrong with music business
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Charger
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Posted - 2014/01/06 : 12:38:51
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Charger:
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Originally posted by Craigavon raver:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Well that's kind of shocking tbh! that any producer would put their name to a track that they had absolutely no hand in making what so ever
This is a practice called Ghost Production. It isn't that surprising as there are loads of people in the EDM scene doing such a practice just to get their names out there or take a ride on a meteorite. But in this case, probably the reverse as it seems that Topvibe was the one doing the work but Sy just wanted to slot his name in to take some getaway credits off Topvibe.
I always assume ghost producing was pretty much someone with no ability whatsoever just sitting next to a producer throwing in one or two ideas. At least that's some form of involvement. What Sy did is scandalous, and is quintessential of everything wrong with music business
I would agree from your point of view on ghost producing, and that is the positive side of ghost producing.
Apparently, ghost producing doesn't really limit to that though. If I remember correctly, there are some ghost production companies that actually sell anonymous mixdowns and soundcloud services to the public, pretty disgusting but that's reality for fame mongers:
http://producerfactory.com/custom_made.php
http://forum.producertech.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5830&title=the-cheapest-ghost-producing-service
http://ghostproducer.nl/
And yea, what Sy did could actually equate to "purchasing" Topvibe's track by signing the track "Pacman" to be released on his then Quosh Records so that he could make some profit with his name together with the "ghost producer" Topvibe on the release.
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