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Elipton
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 2014/01/06 : 13:19:51
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Originally posted by Charger:
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I think Sy did that to Topvibe once, too. :P On the Pacman track. Topvibe did the production, he said, but Sy required his name to be put on it if he wanted it released on Quosh. XD
Well that's kind of shocking tbh! that any producer would put their name to a track that they had absolutely no hand in making what so ever
This is a practice called Ghost Production. It isn't that surprising as there are loads of people in the EDM scene doing such a practice just to get their names out there or take a ride on a meteorite. But in this case, probably the reverse as it seems that Topvibe was the one doing the work but Sy just wanted to slot his name in to take some getaway credits off Topvibe.
I always assume ghost producing was pretty much someone with no ability whatsoever just sitting next to a producer throwing in one or two ideas. At least that's some form of involvement. What Sy did is scandalous, and is quintessential of everything wrong with music business
I would agree from your point of view on ghost producing, and that is the positive side of ghost producing.
Apparently, ghost producing doesn't really limit to that though. If I remember correctly, there are some ghost production companies that actually sell anonymous mixdowns and soundcloud services to the public, pretty disgusting but that's reality for fame mongers:
http://producerfactory.com/custom_made.php
http://forum.producertech.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5830&title=the-cheapest-ghost-producing-service
http://ghostproducer.nl/
And yea, what Sy did could actually equate to "purchasing" Topvibe's track by signing the track "Pacman" to be released on his then Quosh Records so that he could make some profit with his name together with the "ghost producer" Topvibe on the release.
I suppose when you sign a track, you gain rights to it, which is normally exclusivity and the norm. I suppose it makes sense you can purchase the right to change the name and stuff. I guess if you pay enough, you can omit the producers name from the title entirely. That happens in Pop a lot. Justin Bieber obviously didn't produce the backing for his tracks. I'd be very surprised if Example did, for that matter
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DJ Fracus
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Posted - 2014/01/06 : 16:55:28
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The more labels that trying doing something totally different and unique, the better.
I think you've missed what I was trying to say in that interview. As some people have already pointed out, I'm not talking about having an overall collective artistic direction. I'm talking about less groups of people working within the scene drawing lines around their activities and failing to interact with or even acknowledge the existence of interests outside their own. After all, it might make people feel MORE able to try new things and think outside the box in an environment where variety rules? And I'm talking about albums, radio shows and line-ups. Everything really.
Encouraging different facets of the scene to co-operate and work together a bit more as a cohesive part of a 'movement' doesn't detract from their ability to basically do what they like artistically as far as I can see.
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no amount of CD's pushing the same old sound the same old way will help the UK scene catch up
I'm not sure if this was just a general observation, or whether you intended it to allude to HU album releases (given that it relates to my comments). I apologise in advance if it's the former, but if not, I would say that whilst we still haven't gotten anywhere close to where we want to be as a label just yet (artistically or operationally), we have put a great deal of effort into supporting new music / artists / sub-genres with our releases. We try to do that as artists too, both with our own productions and DJ sets.
I just personally happen to think that co-operation within the industry is one of the keys to it's survival, and sometimes in the past both various combinations of greed / resentment / rivalry / short-sightedness have prevented the music as a wider whole reaching it's full potential. There is plenty of room for more cool stuff to happen is all I'm saying...
It's really encouraging to read that there are people who agree with what I said in principle, all is not yet lost ;)
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Hefty Scouse
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Posted - 2014/01/07 : 10:11:11
It's true. We must stick together. There is no market for different niches like Freeform out there. Simply said.
It may look a bit different in the UK overall, but this is the case in most other countries.
If there was a market big enough, NEC wouldnt have closed down.
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