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dj-freedom
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 Posted - 2003/10/03 : 06:44:07
Ok I'm gonna sound right ignorant now but could someone explain exactly what a dubplate is?
Im guessing its some kind of promo
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mrc
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Posted - 2003/10/03 : 07:12:01
i beleve, and i could be wrong, that it is a vinyl that has been cut on the lathe but not pressed for production, either used as a master or for promotion, i think they are limited play though, mabe 8 plays or so.
oh s*it man, what was i saying?
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Underloop
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Posted - 2003/10/03 : 07:56:50
Its a special one-off pressing (ie 1 "record" was made) of a tune. Its made of a softer material than the usual records you buy in the shops, and as such the needle wears it away quicker, so you only get limited plays before the quality suffers (I think 40 is an average number but I may be wrong).
And yes, you are right, they are used for promo purposes, in order to play them out ad get a crowd reaction before they go off for full pressing.
Nowadays, however, CDR has taken over this role as it is alot sheaper and easier.
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Dj Vapour
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Posted - 2003/10/05 : 06:47:19
yeah Dubs could play upto around 20-40 plays unitl they go fuuny
as underloop says they aint needed ne more cos all the labels us CDR's now
slightly cheaper than a dub @ 30p each
and makes it even easier for labels to get there stuff heard b4 the release
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virus
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Posted - 2003/10/05 : 06:59:33
Acetate:
A term for a broad range of instantaneous records, including dubs, plates, acetates, vinyls, and laquers. Also known as "reference" records, because they are used to make sure a recording is good before a master is pressed. Acetates have a soft surface on top of an aluminum base. The grooves are "cut" into the soft surface. Masters are also made this way, but go through more steps.
Since the surface is soft, great care must be taken in handling an acetate. Acetates will play noise-free for about 10 plays and then degrades to the same quality as commercial vinyl records up to 100 plays. Approximately 1000 plays can be had, depending on other factors. The use of a lightweight arm is highly recommended.
Acetates are a great way to incorporate your own sounds, samples and songs into a DJ set. However, with the advent of pitch-shifting CD players and CD-Recordables, some people may shift away from acetates as the cost no longer compensates for that turntable factor.
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Jimmygoat
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Posted - 2003/10/07 : 07:16:21
Kind of what virus said, to give you a different angle on it:
When they cut the master for a full 12" release it gets cut onto a 14" acetate (so you handle it at the edges), it starts off blank and the grooves are cut in. Where the music is loud there is more space needed for the grooves hence the different parts of a record being seen on a vinyl. A dub plate is just a mini acetate either 12" or 10". They get damaged slightly on every play, after about 20 plays they sound a lot worse but then give them a wash as some of the sound quality loss is crap stuck in the grooves. 1000 plays is absolutly out of the question!
They used to cost about £30 +VAT for a two sided 10" and around £45 for a 12", hence CDJ's becoming more used!
Silly fact:
When a master is being cut and is in the run out groove or silent bit you can shout really close to the cutting head and it comes out on the record (Check CLSM6 B where Stefan B does this... when it comes out)
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junglist_angel
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Posted - 2003/10/10 : 16:35:40
Dubplates can be used for quite some time if you take good care of them. But sad as it is, they do loose some of their frequencies after about 10 plays. Yet the sound is still there and you can still play the record. It takes about 10 to 15 minutes for a dubplate to get pressed. We (tone one studio) press em for 50 euro. For that you get both sides with 7 minutes on each side.
Masterings are a whole other story though... those take more or less 5 to 6 hours to press, depending on the quality of your work. But when the music track gets mastered, frequencies get distorted and the person who does the mastering needs to toy with them to get them back on track. Once the master is done, it's sent to a pressing plant that makes a mold out of it and presses however many vinyls you want. Masterings go for 300 euro.
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