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 Posted - 2004/01/28 : 06:04:11
According to the news on the frontpage it's now not goning to be safe to release tape packs and/or record live at events. But wouldn't this apply to all the mixes that dj's do for promotion, I mean, mp3 mixes from a bedroom dj posted here etc... it's kinda the same thing, isn't?
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silver
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 Posted - 2004/01/28 : 06:26:41
It's fine if they licence them... so if people want to release the live recordings they have to pay the artists / labels the way every other legal CD release does.
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GregE
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 06:35:12
first of all i will be posting a link about the issue in a few days that has all the information u will want on it...
Silver, would u have ever got a gig if u didn't release demos to everyone left right and center????
Personally (and i aint a dj) i think it is pure greed, if the CD is being produced, the DJ's must already have PURCHACED the vinyl...i cant see y songs need to be licenced if there is no profit bing made directly from the CD. like my mates give me mixes on CD all the time, for me to listen to to make comment on...not to sell for $598234524
Greed is a bad seed indeed people
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DJ Dizzystick
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 06:40:28
i don't think the producers are worried about people making demos and giving them away for free. they're taking legal action against companies that release live mixes for profit, profit which never ever see's the producers pocket. bedroom dj's aren't hurting the scene. they're helping it stay alive. (that's unless they're selling their mixes without licensing the tracks first) at least that's my understading on the issue.
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GregE
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 06:49:52
it is this simple...release a cd that u mixed with out permission of each of labels on that CD and they can prosicute you and sue you for any profit u made off it. That includes if u gave the CD away but it was listened to by some club and u got a gig.
not sure if they would pash it but yeah will post that link as i said
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Comet
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 07:07:41
That's a little different. There is no way you could get hired for anything if you didn't send out a demo CD to promoters. The only thing I think this affects is the selling of live performances. As in, if you sell your CD or anyones CD without getting the permission from the artists. I know Scott Brown doesn't care at all when DJs make a mix containing some of his songs if it was for demo use. But when you get to the point of selling it, that's where it get's sketchy.
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mrc
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 08:08:40
im all up for DJ's gettin what they deserve, its only fair.
But who do you think is gona pay for it? Not Slammin or any other event that does tape packs, its always the consumer.
oh s*it man, what was i saying?
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djmarinecorpse
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 08:26:28
This is the combination of two posts I made to the Kniteforce forums on the subject. Please, don't flame me as a result.
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Bloody pricks. If you ask me, they're getting too greedy. There can be no such thing as licensed tape packs - the only reason there are so many tape packs out there is because of the cheapness of making them. I do not buy mix CDs, but tape packs were somewhat interesting because of their cheap price. So many good old obscure tracks I found out about through tape packs, because it wasn't just a disc of hits that some CD company thought were worth paying for. The one thing that I've always found liberating about the hardcore scene is the attitude towards copyright. I mean, you blatantly steal someone else's work, that's always been just wrong. But there was never any anger over licensing payments for tracks at events - you bought the vinyl, and that was the end of it - none of this club licensing shit. And even if you pissed someone off, it was mostly held as a grudge rather than a full-scale legal battle over it.
I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that the growing commercialization of hardcore as it grows in popularity is totally ****ing it up. Not just the scene, but also the music is generally growing horrible, with labels like Raver Baby and the newer Evolution releases paving the road with shit.
Agh... Sorry, I'm probably overreacting - I'm just in a rather nasty mood today.
Sorry, I forgot to include my retort to the CD issue: basically, it's not gonna matter if it's CD or not - it isn't even the complete song. I have tons of tape pack rips - I consider a tape pack rip to be as good as a track off a mix CD - i.e. useless, except as preview for the real thing. Really, it was somewhat cheeky on SV's part, but it's still not, in my opinion, rude enough to warrant action...
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djmarinecorpse
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 08:29:08
Anybody notice that the SV site is down? I'm in such a bad funk right now I was gonna go and look into buying the New Year's pack...
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 08:31:49
Personally I think they have a right to do this
They live of the money they make on vinyls and shows they do
but I think its sad that other people wont hear what they missed out on, esp when most people who will buy the mix will be the ones who were there.
If not they might just hear the tape or mix and say "hey hardcore isnt that bad...my friend says it sounds like a old washing machine banging around but this is good"....which of sadly heard :(
Boo @ the people selling the tapes/cd's thu
well I, I will, I will hardcore
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Exhile
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 08:34:37
Get it from the HH.com shop.
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DarrenJ
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 Posted - 2004/01/28 : 09:16:42
Boo at everyone else then  *hides*
well I, I will, I will hardcore
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silver
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 10:02:18
What's the difference between someone sharing MP3's and the artists not getting any money and tape pack producers copying the tunes 1000's of times and SELLING it! .... Nothing, except this is worse because the tape producers and just taking something that is not there's, selling it making money and giving nothing to the people that actually wrote the tunes.
Fair enough that the DJ's get a big sum of money but that aint fair to the new talent and the labels that get nothing. Hardcore needs new talent and tape packs offer nothing to these people.
All the labels and artists and not putting up with this anymore, it's gone on far enough... you will not see unlicenced tape packs in hardcore anymore.
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Simon
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 10:21:27
Had they done this 4/5 years ago, then Hardcore would be in a real state! A LOT of people I know who first got introduced to hardcore was from a tape frome a tape pack, Now it's easier to find and understand what hardcore music is, but back then it wasn't so easily found. I think it's a shame really, but I tell you one thing, I bet the D&B artists won't complain about the tapes, and there on the same deal they won't recieve any money for them, but a lot of the UK D&B scene pride themselves on being underground, and tapes "were" one of the best ways to get the music around to people.
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Peg
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 10:33:32
i think this will have a cascade affect on the music scene startig wid hardcore
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Lazerath
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Posted - 2004/01/28 : 10:40:36
spelling peg????? but your right. it will. and it will turn out bad.
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