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trippnface
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 Posted - 2014/10/27 : 01:21:28
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Originally posted by DJ T33:
Hahah this takes me back to college where I did a DJ & Electronic Music Production Diploma, there was roughly 50 odd pupils on it and I was the only one who listened to Happy Hardcore.
I remember the first week and everyone did a mix in front of people which got graded. The friendship groups were soon separated by genre being Deep House & House being a large group who were all taking vallium and of which most dropped out. The dubstep kidz (when dubstep seemed to be a thing) who then moved on to big room house and trap which were all the douchbag dre beats wearing stereotype who were all up there own arse hated anything melodic. The drum and bass boys who were essentially 'badmen' which consisted of a few guys. Then there's me. My turn to go up on the desks and showcase what you like.
So me thinking they were open minded open minded played what I wanted and I opened with Cat Like Theif - It Starts With a Whisper (Nu Foundation Remix).
One by one I saw nearly everyone walk out the room giggling and smirking hearing one of them say what the f*** is this B****** ect ect leaving only 3 other people left in the room one being the tutor.
I couldn't help but feeling a little angry being close to the time of mikey passing (R.I.P) and for the fact that I am an open minded person and the respect showed to me or the music was little or none. The mixed was followed by a couple of Orbit 1 tracks and some more of the HU/Next Generation tracks.
At the end of the mix I received the highest grade of the group for the mix and I remember my tutor clapping telling me "Looking past the genre and music selection thats the best mix i've seen all day" This kinda made me feel a little embarrassed but at the same time a little glad that someone actually liked it.
So in the next couple of days obviously already making myself an outcast tried talking to people in my group and generally making friends saying alright mate to people, all I would get in return was people completely ignoring me I mean not even acknowledging my existence or just dirty looks and here thinking 'all this because I like Happy Hardcore and its a different genre to what they listen to and its uncool?'
It was a pretty depressing stage for me and a year into the course they only started talking to me because I was getting the highest grades in the course and they essentially wanted help from me which to them meant copy you, where I pretty much said 'Naaaaa'
Come the end of the course I left with one of the highest grades of the lot with only 50% of the students finishing or passing the course.
Although going of track a little however this is how I look back at the events of college, just because hardcore isn't cool and some people are close minded it made me an outcast.
Do I care? No.
I don't care if it is uncool, cheesy, gay or however else they put it. I'm not gonna change what I like and listen to just because other people don't like it because it is uncool. :)
sick story ^.^ hell ya man you did it right. laughable how close-minded some people are. i guess i forget not everyone gets that same rush. their loss ;). i woulda grooved hard right when you dropped the first track haha.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 02:13:37
Interesting topic. As far as my own up bringing's concerned, there was a time in Glasgow when Hardcore certainly was "cool" or popular, to the point where people that listened to rock & indie or hip hop & rap we're the minority. & I'm not just talking dance music or even hard dance music, I'm talking hardcore/bouncy techno.
This was certainly the case for the best part of the 90's, we even had hardcore played at our school "discos", & believe it or not our "drugs talks" came in the form of a QFX concert (unreal I know!).
I doubt the following will be as strong now as it was back then. I just cant imagine it being played & accepted at school events now but im certain it still has it followers, in Glasgow anyway, but to answer your question, no, it isn't the in thing anymore.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 03:22:42
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I'm pretty sure it was much more uncool when it was 'happy'. Either way it's never been cool. What you experienced is just what it has always been like. Maybe for a brief period it was more acceptable but only the stuff that sounded like pop anyway so that doesn't really mean anything.
Wait. You didn't like CXH4?
That's upsetting. :(
he's a borderline douchebag that you really shouldn't worry about. He doesn't like anything pre-2005 no matter who is making it.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 07:06:08
I think awareness is at the lowest it's been in a long time, perhaps ever.
That said, I also think the barriers of entry are relatively low even globally. I'm moderately convinced we're going to see a real surge, Stateside, where the issue was that *any* dance music was deemed confusing. I remember being in Colorado in 2001 and every single dance CD was grouped together under "techno". Fast forward to 2014 where EDM is massive and there's been dance music on endless soundtracks for films peaking in recent times.
As always, there's a bunch of UK Hardcore that is immediately offputting to most people who aren't familiar with it. People point at some of the Clubland Xtreme stuff as an entry point and there's no doubt it was. As was Raverbaby after the Trance/Hard House boom.
IF you want someone to take the music seriously, you need to personalise that entry point. Do they say all dance music has stupid lyrics? Play something that doesn't. Do they say it's all "boom boom boom?" Play something musical.
I keep blathering on about it, but I reckon "Filth And Dumb Hatred" is the closest thing to an acceptable entry point we've had for a while.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 08:00:52
Good topic. I got into hardcore as a 16 year old around bonkers 8-9 time. At the time all my mates loved hardcore although only a select few of us really took it up as a hobby. These days it's only me and two mates that take any sort of interest in it. At my age now it's definetely not 'cool' and I suspect that goes for the younger generation also.
I'm from Edinburgh which has basically zero hardcore following and never really has even in the good old days....particularly in comparison with the rest of scotland - Glasgow especially. Darren styles played here last month and the dance floor was depressingly quiet.
The dance floors in general are much quieter than they were when I started raving in 2004. That's probably the best indicator that hardcore is not cool anymore. Have to be honest I'm starting to lose interest myself.
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DJBoydy
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 08:51:07
For whatever reason Hardcore has always been treated as the 'Ryanair' of music genres in the UK. Not so sure about other countries (such as Holland/Belgium) but that's the way I've seen it for the last 20 years !!
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 10:03:33
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Originally posted by CDJay:
I think awareness is at the lowest it's been in a long time, perhaps ever.
That said, I also think the barriers of entry are relatively low even globally. I'm moderately convinced we're going to see a real surge, Stateside, where the issue was that *any* dance music was deemed confusing. I remember being in Colorado in 2001 and every single dance CD was grouped together under "techno". Fast forward to 2014 where EDM is massive and there's been dance music on endless soundtracks for films peaking in recent times.
As always, there's a bunch of UK Hardcore that is immediately offputting to most people who aren't familiar with it. People point at some of the Clubland Xtreme stuff as an entry point and there's no doubt it was. As was Raverbaby after the Trance/Hard House boom.
IF you want someone to take the music seriously, you need to personalise that entry point. Do they say all dance music has stupid lyrics? Play something that doesn't. Do they say it's all "boom boom boom?" Play something musical.
I keep blathering on about it, but I reckon "Filth And Dumb Hatred" is the closest thing to an acceptable entry point we've had for a while.
CDJay
Yeah it's crazy how much EDM has taken off in the states. I was in Vegas for Labor Day weekend in August/September and they had big name DJ's playing every day from Thursday to Monday - Tiesto, Steve Aoki, Martin Garrix and Calvin Harris to name a few. We went to see Calvin Harris at a pool party and the vibe was amazing.
Also seen pics from HTID last weekend and it looks like it was a huge success. Seems like there's a lot of potential across the Atlantic.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 13:03:37
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Originally posted by DJBoydy:
For whatever reason Hardcore has always been treated as the 'Ryanair' of music genres in the UK. Not so sure about other countries (such as Holland/Belgium) but that's the way I've seen it for the last 20 years !!
+1 for quality analogy
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 13:25:51
But Ryanair deserves some of the (dis)credit they get. Hardcore doesn't :P
Even tho sweden might be famous for some big electronic acts in the 90's (for eurodance fans), I would say that swedes themselfs hates electronic music. atleast to later years with avichi and stuff. But anything faster than 140? ILLEGAL RAVE MUSIC.
Note: I don't go clubbing in Sweden, the crowd is completly different from a Hardcore club/meeting
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 13:41:53
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Originally posted by Samination:
But Ryanair deserves some of the (dis)credit they get. Hardcore doesn't :P
Even tho sweden might be famous for some big electronic acts in the 90's (for eurodance fans), I would say that swedes themselfs hates electronic music. atleast to later years with avichi and stuff. But anything faster than 140? ILLEGAL RAVE MUSIC.
Note: I don't go clubbing in Sweden, the crowd is completly different from a Hardcore club/meeting
True about ryanair!
Clubs here have a very different crowd and atmosphere to raves as well.
I have to be held up at gunpoint to be made to go to a typical club (unless it's someone's birthday and they really want to go clubbing). It's a testosterone-fuelled jungle reminiscent of an aggressive animal mating season. That environment has absolutely nothing to offer anyone who is happily taken and just looking for a civilised conversation.
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 16:08:12
I was going to agree about the Ryanair analogy, but it would cost me an extra fiver to complete my opinion ;-)
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 16:39:53
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I was going to agree about the Ryanair analogy, but it would cost me an extra fiver to complete my opinion ;-)
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 16:49:03
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Originally posted by DJ T33:
The dubstep kidz
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giggling and smirking
god damn dubstep had some genuinely nice artists why did it have to amount such a terrible fanbase recently
i dont take rave music very seriously but if someone wants to be the next Datsik or DJ Snake, i will discard their point of view as soon as they make fun of something like hardcore
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ConnerIntenzifi
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 17:18:31
Hardcore IMO has always been associated with more of a ned/chav culture. So it has never been cool unless you were part of this. I think when the first CXH album came out it started to gain some credibility but as they went on & it became more cheesy with more cascada bootlegs etc.. it lost it.
Now with Facebook & the likes anyone who does take an interest sees the bitching going on and it probably puts them right off. It's the most unprofessional embarrassing scene about.
I don't think it will ever pick up like it did in the mid 2000's. The raves back then were tremendous & no ******** well not that I took notice there probably was shit going on as usual.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/10/27 : 17:59:29
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Now with Facebook & the likes anyone who does take an interest sees the bitching going on and it probably puts them right off. It's the most unprofessional embarrassing scene about.
Doubt that has anything to do with it. Have you seen how much bitching is going on with Hardstyle on social media lately, especially on Youtube
It is far worse than what I see in UK hardcore, hell far worse than the hateful shit from ush.net.
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