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| wicky vicky |
i have been practicing beat matching very hard. i can hold 2 songs together for about 15 seconds and then they start galloping. someone told me that i should count the bpms. how would i do that?
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| silver |
Personally I never count the BPM if you do that then you have to do it for both tunes, I go by ear, but most important is to know your tunes! That way if one starts to go faster than the other one you know which one to adjust....
Tip for starters: Once you *think* you have gotten the tracks beat matched, start the record again then mix it again, leave it like this for 30-60 seconds (while listening on your headphones) and see if it is actually matched perfectly, make fine pitch adjustments if need be.
Alot of DJ starters also make the mistake of playing both records in the headphones, you do not need to do this, this is why there are DJ monitors (or speakers) right next to the DJ. Only put the track that you are attempting to mix in in your headphones and use the speaker to hear the other track. You can play both in your headphones if you wish to confirm the mix, but I find if you do that you can't seperate the tunes well enough in headphones.
Good luck. |
| dj-efeks |
i find that it is very rare that you match 2 tracks "perfectly" during a set anyway, im always making little pitch adjustments to keep the tracks together...
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| StrifeII |
err...a BPM counter??
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| silver |
Actually I have an Pioneer effect unit that allows me to play all sorts of effects while DJ, I only really use it for the pre amp. But this effects unit has a digital BPM counter that I never use only if I am interested to see what BPM I am at the moment. I have never used it live so I don't I hardly use it at home. |
| Alex_In_Wonderland |
I find it easier to match beats by ear rather than using a bpm counter. My mixer's so sh*t that I couldn't trust the bpm counter on it anyway.
Alex. |
| dj-efeks |
most bpm counters are really dodgy anyway, in my experience
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| DJ Mouse |
i don't have a bpm counter so i've had to do it by ear,i've been on setups with bpm counters and they aren't exactly precise
djm
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| silver |
Yep everyone's correct never trust a BPM counter, it more of a guide. |
| FingazMc |
so i definatly shouldent buy one cuz i was gonna get one cuz im findin it pretty hard to beat match. r u still gonna do that video silver?
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| silver |
Yeah I should shouldn't I... let me see if I can find a video recorder. |
| virus |
everytime i play out on that pioneer mixer, the bpm counter is always somewhere in the 600's :P
and quite frequently hits "666"
always gives me a good laugh ;)
adam
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| cookietrip143 |
my personal advice to u or anyone trying to master beat matching(or anything else by that matter)is to first develop a clear perception of that which is,in this case,sound.
if youre somewhat musically oriented/trained itll only take a little bit of practice.
also doing drugs messes up perception.alot of people/musicians/djs use em cuz they seem to heighten it at first but like most people-me included- realize that in the long run this only causes an undesirable lethargy.
my 2 cents if u will.
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| aznwasian |
I would go with a bpm counter. there not that expensive and there worth it.
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| SorceryKid |
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Originally posted by dj-efeks:
i find that it is very rare that you match 2 tracks "perfectly" during a set anyway, im always making little pitch adjustments to keep the tracks together...
I find I do the same thing, but moreso with CDs that were originally mastered from analog tape (which typically suffer from some degree of wow and flutter). Obviously electronic-based music rarely has this type of problem, assuming it was produced completely in the digital domain. Many times I can get two industrial CDs in-time for up to two minutes at varying pitch percentages! Sometimes, it gets so annoying, I purposefully change the pitch on one just so I can do some manual interaction. Heh.
--DJ SorceryKid |
| SorceryKid |
The only BPM counters I ever use are the manual tap-kind... and even that is just for getting a quick estimate of the tempo i'm running at on either deck (sometimes when tunes are within a few percent of each other it's hard for me to determine which way to go). I'd never use automation for BPM counting as I see no reason to invest in something that can be done almost as easily and quickly by ear -- and which IMO takes much of the fun out of DJing! 
--DJ SorceryKid |
| SorceryKid |
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
Personally I never count the BPM if you do that then you have to do it for both tunes, I go by ear, but most important is to know your tunes! That way if one starts to go faster than the other one you know which one to adjust....
I'm totally with silver on this one! I've found that with enough practice and knowledge of your tunes, you can slap on an album and know beforehand how much to adjust the tempo -- if at all! I've done this on several occasions before. It's definitely a feeling of accomplishment when you don't even need to make any adjustments!
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Tip for starters: Once you *think* you have gotten the tracks beat matched, start the record again then mix it again, leave it like this for 30-60 seconds (while listening on your headphones) and see if it is actually matched perfectly, make fine pitch adjustments if need be.
Indeed. After all, your audience can't hear what you are cueing up. So take advantage of that opportunity. Prepare your mix before hand. That way you are ready when it comes time to take it to the floor.
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Alot of DJ starters also make the mistake of playing both records in the headphones, you do not need to do this, this is why there are DJ monitors (or speakers) right next to the DJ.
Yeah right! I wish that's how it was at the night where I spin. But do you think they'd have monitors in the booth? Nah. LOL. We are not that well equipped!
At this point the only beatmatching I can do is in my headphones. And trust me, it's like hell. It's not uncommon that the music in one deck will be so much louder than the other that you can just toss out all hopes of matching anything. 
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You can play both in your headphones if you wish to confirm the mix, but I find if you do that you can't seperate the tunes well enough in headphones.
I find that having a Cue-Pgm fader makes it pretty easy to figure out which deck is off-time, without the need for external monitors. Of course, it also depends on what you are used to... AND what you have a available. 
--DJ SorceryKid |
| FingazMc |
ive seen bpm counters for 30 squid each is that a good price or do u think i should luk to elsewhere??
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| silver |
BPM counters are crap, don't rely on them. |
| FingazMc |
ok i wont bother
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| MC RizlaDizla |
I think its all part of the fun trying to match the speed and beats yourself. Thats a big part of the skill in mixing.
It is so rewarding when you do have two choons in perfect. The thing with me is thatn I have no short term memory at all. Just smoke it away so when I find two choons that go in reall ywell togeather I forget. Just thank god that my DJ stopped puffing.
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