Am I to understand that he's really going to stop playing (UK) Hardcore and Freeform completly?
Time to take a potshot: Is Thumpa feeling shafted because his direction of Freeform never stroke gold? :P
wong
probably go all industrial terror uptempo speedcore whatever it was he used to play
Guest
quote:Originally posted by wong:
probably go all industrial terror uptempo speedcore whatever it was he used to play
he can join the other 10 people still rocking that shit
where the party at
nerds
or the real world that make drum & bass shit their panties
silver
You are as bad as the media... if you read the entire thing it seems he just isn't going to be playing new stuff... but still playing older stuff.
wong
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
he can join the other 10 people still rocking that shit
I remember him posting on facebook not so long back being at a rave in holland, in the 'smaller' back room uptempo arena was 2000 people. So you're talkin sh*t pal. Good luck to him
Samination
quote:Originally posted by silver:
You are as bad as the media... if you read the entire thing it seems he just isn't going to be playing new stuff... but still playing older stuff.
nope, he's leaving the UK Hardcore and Freeform almost completly. The radio station he's joining is only dutch hardcore/gabber
quote:Olly Thumpa Yates
Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 10:18pm
I won't be playing new freeform or UK hardcore after March and I won't be involved with that side of things, I've always been into gabber and harder music so will be going back to that as it's much more enjoyable buying music and mixing a set over a wide range of tempo, it's more suited to my personality to just be a DJ again and enjoy the music. I don't want to be in the 'UK hardcore scene' anymore
He goes on about wanting to be a bedroom dj for a bit, but does he really need to leave uk/freeform because of that?
It's fair game tbh. Even though I've never really liked the Freeform he was trying to push out lately, but he tried, but we've all seen the shit that has been happening in the British Hardcore scene for the last couple of years.
Thumpa
I'll be taking old / classic hardcore / freeform bookings if any promoters want to book me but I won't be chasing bookings anymore, it's very exhausting being involved in the UK hardcore scene. I wasn't enjoying trying to push freeform on ravers that don't want to hear different stuff and I wasn't enjoying being involved in and knowing all the ******** that goes on. Also my bucket list was complete, I'd done everything I wanted to do in hardcore, Westfest, HTID main arena, In The Sun, boat parties, Uproar, Japan, USA, Finland and all over Europe. I was spinning my wheels if I'm honest, I'm very goal orientated.
I'll be starting my monthly radio show on Toxic Sickness this month (6.6 million plays, 25k soundcloud followers, 100k monthly visitors) and will go back to just buying music and enjoying mixing. I started buying records in 1996 and used to buy happy hardcore, jungle and techno equally so this change isn't really a new thing, used to play for North and HTID / Uproar hard rooms so I'm very comfortable playing hardcore techno in all its forms.
One thing I will say is, the hardcore scene is doomed here. You people don't know the half of what goes on and I envy you for it.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Thumpa:
One thing I will say is, the hardcore scene is doomed here. You people don't know the half of what goes on and I envy you for it.
Go on, spill!
Samination
Doomed? Have you been taking ques from Guest? :P
Bring Me Round To Love
If you mean the story that Mickey Skeedale is locked in Gammers basement being forced to listen to a edm-trap borefest, while gammer tells his American buddies its Happy Hardcore, we already know.
Vladel
From thumpa's Facebook
"Look at the hardcore scene, Styles, Hixxy, Gammer, Breeze, all 4 of them haven't released a single tune over the last year I swear to god, and they are STILL 4 of the biggest names in the music. It's the laziest music scene in the UK by far, hardly any music released, same old shit being played at raves, one major promoter and then HTID now owned by a load of aussies that think hardstyle is the way forward, it's a total mess. Magaluf last year was 600 people max and that had every DJ under the sun. I went to a rave in Holland last month where arena 4 was 100% Frenchcore and it was 3000 people easy. Major things need to happen in the hardcore scene going forward, I don't want to waste any more of my time on trying to resolve it though. I want to be a bedroom DJ again and get excited about logging into Juno or wherever every Monday and buying tunes"
In all fairness, I had every intention of being a knob about the state of freeform etc but I have to say respect to be honest because when your passion is gone, it's better to find the love again any which way you can and I for one wish thumpa all the best.
djDMS
Totally agree with everything he says
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
From thumpa's Facebook
"Look at the hardcore scene, Styles, Hixxy, Gammer, Breeze, all 4 of them haven't released a single tune over the last year I swear to god, and they are STILL 4 of the biggest names in the music. It's the laziest music scene in the UK by far, hardly any music released, same old shit being played at raves, one major promoter and then HTID now owned by a load of aussies that think hardstyle is the way forward, it's a total mess. Magaluf last year was 600 people max and that had every DJ under the sun. I went to a rave in Holland last month where arena 4 was 100% Frenchcore and it was 3000 people easy. Major things need to happen in the hardcore scene going forward, I don't want to waste any more of my time on trying to resolve it though. I want to be a bedroom DJ again and get excited about logging into Juno or wherever every Monday and buying tunes"
In all fairness, I had every intention of being a knob about the state of freeform etc but I have to say respect to be honest because when your passion is gone, it's better to find the love again any which way you can and I for one wish thumpa all the best.
he is right. shit has been going downhill for a looooong time. the men who made it ; ended up ruining it.
a classic tale.
Guest
quote:Originally posted by wong:
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
he can join the other 10 people still rocking that shit
I remember him posting on facebook not so long back being at a rave in holland, in the 'smaller' back room uptempo arena was 2000 people. So you're talkin sh*t pal. Good luck to him
holland is'nt the uk, uptempo is just party raiser and destructive tendencies, not speedcore/terror/frenchcore shit which nobody cares about ingeneral
Guest
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Doomed? Have you been taking ques from Guest? :P
Best of luck with your next venture, greener pastures and all that!
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
From thumpa's Facebook
"Look at the hardcore scene, Styles, Hixxy, Gammer, Breeze, all 4 of them haven't released a single tune over the last year I swear to god, and they are STILL 4 of the biggest names in the music. It's the laziest music scene in the UK by far, hardly any music released, same old shit being played at raves, one major promoter and then HTID now owned by a load of aussies that think hardstyle is the way forward, it's a total mess. Magaluf last year was 600 people max and that had every DJ under the sun. I went to a rave in Holland last month where arena 4 was 100% Frenchcore and it was 3000 people easy. Major things need to happen in the hardcore scene going forward, I don't want to waste any more of my time on trying to resolve it though. I want to be a bedroom DJ again and get excited about logging into Juno or wherever every Monday and buying tunes"
In all fairness, I had every intention of being a knob about the state of freeform etc but I have to say respect to be honest because when your passion is gone, it's better to find the love again any which way you can and I for one wish thumpa all the best.
Absolutely spot on. I've completely lost interest in hardcore over the last year due to the lack of releases. In years gone by the lack of releases weren't such an issue as I was raving fairly regularly and there was enough going on in the wider scene to keep me at least semi-interested. These days I only keep an eye on things by logging into this forum which says it all really. Absolute shambles.
Bring Me Round To Love
It's always been a closed scene since day one, all the big boys care about now is bookings in the US at edm festivals, the real rave sound has long gone.
Smoogie
Sad to see someone leave the scene just because they are not feeling it anymore but tat always happens with any music scene. I actually liked Thumper's approach as he simply did what he wanted to do and obviously got some enjoyment out of it for a long time but there is no point staying in a marriage trying to make it work if it simply won't work anymore.
The thing is I don't really follow the scene anymore and I haven't in years either. Thumper is only saying what I said years ago. The scene is plastic and despite a few good guys around it has been too much of a club scene and too little a rave scene for a long time.
Now before anyone asks what I am still doing here myself (on the forums) then I actually post here because I still have my old Hardcore favourites and like to see if there is anything new that appeals to me. If not I just lurk.
Samination
The more underground sound of UK Hardcore and Freeform have become more of an internet thing.
I think you're better of as a bedroom dj than trying to get bookings everywhere. Most of us have
noticed the shenaningans around the scene (I might know a little more because I always try to listen
to what Fracus & Darwin has to say in the VIP rooms :P) so I think we understand why so many liked
artists keep leaving for other genres (or music in all).
But Thumpa should feel like he's not getting any credit. He's easily sold out his albums so it's not like
no one cares about him, and I hope he doesn't feel that way either.
Guest
quote:Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
It's always been a closed scene since day one, all the big boys care about now is bookings in the US at edm festivals, the real rave sound has long gone.
its why you want your gabba, they or london don't control, and you can just start your own events in the uk without caring about the circuit, because there is'nt 1
mainstream has endless styles, if you can actually mix and EQ your mixes, your all good
if your good like me, you can just put it all together and just have hardcore
Guest
generally just these few you might have to care about up in scotland, and you might play at their events and ibiza goes hard
quote:Originally posted by Bring Me Round To Love:
It's always been a closed scene since day one, all the big boys care about now is bookings in the US at edm festivals, the real rave sound has long gone.
its why you want your gabba, they or london don't control, and you can just start your own events in the uk without caring about the circuit, because there is'nt 1
mainstream has endless styles, if you can actually mix and EQ your mixes, your all good
if your good like me, you can just put it all together and just have hardcore
From the mid 00's onwards the only reason i when to HTID & Uproar was for the Gabba room, unfortunately they got rid of the Techno/Gabba room in later years, which must have lost alot of ravers going to these events.
The music has always been together since the Technodrome days, big mistake to get rid of the hand that feeds you ie more ticket sales.
Elipton
I have a lot of respect for Thumpa. He's probably had this observation for years about Hardcore, but he's spent years contributing efforts in an attempt to get some momentum into Freeform. Unfortunately, the long term impact has been limited. Events such as ILHB have become rarer, and there seems to be even less Freeform representation at larger events (although the amount of larger events in UK Hardcore has dwindled also).
However, he's had an Archefluxx-style meltdown, and you kinda get the notion it was a long time coming. He's spoken a lot of truths, but they're already so obvious. Unfortunately he's probably burned a lot of bridges stating what everyone is already blindingly aware of.
Regardless, his withdrawal is a loss for the scene as a whole, and doubtlessly very scything for Freeform.
To add, there are still people in the scene with passion and drive to push it forward. In Freeform, there are still projects being worked on that we should continue to get behind and push forward. There's still much that producers in the community have to offer.
Here are the latest updates, and a Transcend counter. They're uploaded to public pages and there for people to read, so I'll relay the messages.
trippnface
No Transcend; Alot of those people he mentioned are now 100% twat.
This is confirmed fact. Along with all the other truth Thumpa spoke ;)
ViolonC
Long story short: all Hardcore (including FF) in the UK suffers from a disconnect between producers, DJs and promoters?
Guest
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
100% twat.
ministry of sounds next cd
Samination
Thumpa has always had a little bit of Ego. but in this case, I actually trust him more than what Transcend is saying.
But it's sad that he's not staying in hardcore/freeform scene, especially after STATING he just wants to be a bedroom DJ again.
Cyrax
The guys that run ILHB do represent a large part of the Freeform scene but certainly not all of it, I've always considered them the most sound crew around, booking or no booking I'll always be in attendance because the ravers that attend their parties are the loveliest people I know.
Guest
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Thumpa has always had a little bit of Ego. but in this case, I actually trust him more than what Transcend is saying.
But it's sad that he's not staying in hardcore/freeform scene, especially after STATING he just wants to be a bedroom DJ again.
its not that bad, get gabba right and don't play aload of complete shit like most people, and you can raise a whole empire while uk hardcore events forgot about it for 10 years
dubstep dead, drum & bass dead, 50,000 people don't stay in and read books every night like all the nerds that killed and took over both scenes
and make sure you tweak the bass in the tunes
this does a fine job for the low end and make all tunes mixable with eachother
The freeform scene kind of have themselves to blame for their continued demise within the hardcore scene. Instead of grasping at what little straws there are left in the scene, they should have just branched out and associated themselves with other similar genre events, or try and push the sound themselves to the public and seeing if anyone bites.
I've met Kevin and he's an awesome guy, and he's done a lot for freeform. Sharkey has also done a lot for freeform. Never met the guy, but only a cunt would flake out on having their artist album released when it's pretty much finished and a label full of amazing people poured so much time and money into doing it.
Regardless of what I think of either of them, freeform, much like the rest of the UK hardcore scene, won't continue to grow or even evolve if you favor the old school crew where some like Sharkey and Kevin seem to get preference when they only do a handful of gigs and don't add anything new to the scene, over new, current or promising talent that can add to the scene whether they're a DJ or producer.
latininxtc
There's a post on Thumpa's FB profile where he is bitching about the scene with Wotsee and Ajay that I find amusing. If I remember correctly, Wotsee tried to make Ajay look like a terrible promoter when he was organizing the lineup for the first HTID ITS he was running by accusing him of deliberately leaving him out of the lineup when Wotsee already said he had a prior engagement that would preoccupy him for that entire time
Smoogie
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
The freeform scene kind of have themselves to blame for their continued demise within the hardcore scene. Instead of grasping at what little straws there are left in the scene, they should have just branched out and associated themselves with other similar genre events, or try and push the sound themselves to the public and seeing if anyone bites.
I've met Kevin and he's an awesome guy, and he's done a lot for freeform. Sharkey has also done a lot for freeform. Never met the guy, but only a cunt would flake out on having their artist album released when it's pretty much finished and a label full of amazing people poured so much time and money into doing it.
Regardless of what I think of either of them, freeform, much like the rest of the UK hardcore scene, won't continue to grow or even evolve if you favor the old school crew where some like Sharkey and Kevin seem to get preference when they only do a handful of gigs and don't add anything new to the scene, over new, current or promising talent that can add to the scene whether they're a DJ or producer.
A few 'big names' have 'left' Freeform though have they not? Sharkey apparently left a few years ago which probably didn't help.
The thing is Freeform used to be a very varied style that covered everything from Breakbeat to almost Gabber like tunes. You had good productions and compared to a lot of mainstream stuff it was always higher quality. I remember listening through the old Bonkers from the 2000s and eventually deciding that Sharkey's mix was the best one with Scott Brown usually coming second. Sharkey's mix would be Freeform that had the most variety and eventually progressing to harder tunes as the set continued.
Sadly some of the best Freeform was never released but that at least helped Bonkers stand out against some of the other compilations as the only way you could hear these tunes other than at an event was on Bonkers. For those who couldn't get to big events that often anyway Bonkers was a very good chance to hear these big tunes, The death of Bonkers has not helped things either.
Samination
The problem with Sharkey is that he never really left! He still goes to the raves :P
Smoogie
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
The problem with Sharkey is that he never really left! He still goes to the raves :P
And he still likes the old magic beans as well by the looks of things according to one video I saw of him
wong
sharkeys been a bit of a bellend lately actually not turning up for gigs or being paid and f*cking off without playing.
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by wong:
sharkeys been a bit of a bellend lately actually not turning up for gigs or being paid and f*cking off without playing.
because freeform
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