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| latininxtc |
alright so these are the winners:
Best Label- Lethal Theory
Best Album- This Is Powerstomp
Hardcore Set Of The Year- Joey Riot, Kurt & MC Mayhem @ Westfest
Best Gabber DJ- Joey Riot
Best Freeform DJ/Producer- Kutski
Best Podcast/radio show- Kutski KTRA
Best Hard Dance DJ- Kutski
Best Small/Breakthrough Event- TOWIH (not sure wtf that stands for)
Best Breakthrough MC- MC Mayhem
Best MC- MC Whizzkid
Best Breakthrough DJ- Alex Prospect
Best Breakthrough Producer- Alex Prospect
Best Producer- Darren Styles
Best DJ- Gammer
Best International DJ- Angerfist
Track Of The Year- Gareth Emery feat Christina Novelli - Concrete Angel (Darren Styles & Chris Unknown Remix)
Best Club/Nightclub- Hardcore Heaven @ o2 Bournemouth
Best Record Shop/Online Store- TrackItDown
Best Website- RavinEye
Event Of The Year- Westfest
Lifetime Achievement- Scott Brown
So, my take on this:
The majority of these *******s voting on this still don't know wtf Freeform is. I mean I could understand a bit more if Fracus & Darwin actually won again, but AFAIK Kutski hardly, if ever, plays, much less produce, freeform in any of his live sets.
Storm losing means that people are not over that ****ing mess he caused with DJ Sy, which ended up blacklisting him from most of the major events.
Even after compiling all those big names into one massive label, Futureworld still lost the Best Label award. Who knows what will happen for them next year, or what new things they could do to regain most of the lost awards from tonight.
FINALLY someone knocked off the CXH series for Best Album. They've been horrible for years and have been 2nd best to the HU albums in my opinion.
This Powerstomp movement is definitely one of the directions everyone wants UK hardcore to be taken, not the dubstep/d&b/electro stuff shoved down their throats anymore.
What's everyone else's take on it? Don't mean to double post, but seeing as how voting has been closed and the results are now coming out, I thought it would be better to start a new topic. |
| Hard2Get |
If nothing else then the lifetime achievement went to the right person. |
| wong |
Jesus |
| Hard2Get |
Jesus doesn't deserve a lifetime award for contributing to the Hardcore scene, as he didn't. |
| Shades |
is Joey Riot, Kurt & MC Mayhem @ Westfest set available to hear online anywhere? or is it part of a tape/cd pack?
imo, best freeform.... put douglas where kutski is
TOWIH would be, The only way is hardcore? never heard of it either tbh
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| arpz |
was amusing to hear trackitdown being named best retailer despite not being able to get futureworld from there :) |
| _Jay_ |
Yes, TOWIH is The Only Way Is Hardcore. I'm not knocking them, but they are not a "Small" event and they are not a "Breakthrough" event. They've put on more than ten events going back to the start of 2012, and the attendance for the last one going by the figure on the event page on Facebook was 1,700+. Even after you factor in the few hundred that clicked attending but didn't turn up - in what world is that a small event. As I say though - not a dig at the TOWIH guys at all - just another illustrative example of the misrepresentation at The Awards.
The Legend receiving the Lifetime Achievement Award is, as Matt says, pleasing. Has he really not won it before?
Best Label. I reeeaally don't want to bang on about this, and I know the lads are very sensible about their handling of expectations and The Awards in general - but it has to fcuking hurt not getting that best label award. It's absolutely fcuking disgusting that they didn't get it. I am so personally gutted for them it's unbelievable. Fracus & Darwin weren't even booked to play on the main stage last night either. It says it all. What a load of shit.
I'm not going anywhere near the Freeform category.
Can't really argue with the Track Of The Year. It's a good, good tune.
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| latininxtc |
quote:
Originally posted by arpz:
was amusing to hear trackitdown being named best retailer despite not being able to get futureworld from there :)
FALSE
You can still buy Futureworld tracks from there, you just cannot buy anything that's been released in the last few months since they've stopped making their new material available on that site. Why they decided to focus on Beatport boggles my mind. It only seems to benefit Americans the most, but at the exclusive 5-week price it's a ridiculous amount. If you're not in a rush to get the track you can wait until it's available at Audiojelly for 0.99 USD/quid/Euro.
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| Samination |
latin: for me (or anyone outside the US/UK business zone), juno and TiD is definitly better priced than Beatport
Well some people have complained about people think Freeform is regular UK Hardcore that sounds a little different from the top tier. And when someone finally wins because he sometimes play hardcore, you complain again :P
TBH, there's alot of people to blame.
*Freeform isn't seperated enough from (UK)Hardcore to be it's own genre,
*They usually play both at the same events,
*People like me, who mixes both in the same set, and ofcourse
*People who believe Brisk & Fade is Freeform (*me glares at Quicksilver*) |
| latininxtc |
Also wanted to mention that yes I know that Joey Riot & Kurt have made a large impact in the scene as of late and CDJay will come on here and praise them and that they're deserving of the award and blah blah blah, and I'm not arguing that. But I still think that Hardcore Underground is a label way more deserving of Best Hardcore Label simply because if it wasn't for them and their resources, there would be no Marc Smith Album and there would be no This Is Powerstomp.
Also Klubfiller, Sc@r, Ramos, and Chris Fear would never have a featured mix on a professionally made album unless someone from the Clubland X-Treme Hardcore series died or quit hardcore. And if that happened, Chris Unknown would be the likely replacement. Klubfiller would still be selling his home-burned mix cds for a ridiculously overpriced 10 quid.
HU has revitalized what was seen as a dying format in the UK Hardcore scene, where the quality is being dominated and even diluted because of the digital format. You will never convince me that any label is more deserving and has worked harder for everything they have gained for their own label and many big-named djs not even directly affiliated with them than Hardcore Underground, and as CDJay works tirelessly behind the scenes along with Darwin, Fracus, Al Storm, Entity, Chwhynny, and countless others, my opinion belief will never change, especially by people who voted Kutski for best freeform DJ. |
| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
Also wanted to mention that yes I know that Joey Riot & Kurt have made a large impact in the scene as of late and CDJay will come on here and praise them and that they're deserving of the award and blah blah blah, and I'm not arguing that. But I still think that Hardcore Underground is a label way more deserving of Best Hardcore Label simply because if it wasn't for them and their resources, there would be no Marc Smith Album and there would be no This Is Powerstomp.
Yea, TiP is technically a HU album
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
HU has revitalized what was seen as a dying format in the UK Hardcore scene, where the quality is being dominated and even diluted because of the digital format. You will never convince me that any label is more deserving and has worked harder for everything they have gained for their own label and many big-named djs not even directly affiliated with them than Hardcore Underground, and as CDJay works tirelessly behind the scenes along with Darwin, Fracus, Al Storm, Entity, Chwhynny, and countless others, my opinion belief will never change, especially by people who voted Kutski for best freeform DJ.
I still find it funnier that Breeze didn't get nominated in any category, other than maybe the label he runs. |
| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
Yes, TOWIH is The Only Way Is Hardcore. I'm not knocking them, but they are not a "Small" event and they are not a "Breakthrough" event. They've put on more than ten events going back to the start of 2012, and the attendance for the last one going by the figure on the event page on Facebook was 1,700+. Even after you factor in the few hundred that clicked attending but didn't turn up - in what world is that a small event. As I say though - not a dig at the TOWIH guys at all - just another illustrative example of the misrepresentation at The Awards.
If Al Storm (I believe) won Best Breakthrough Artist/DJ a few years ago, then a 2 year old concurring event can win breakthrough event aswell :P |
| _Jay_ |
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
If Al Storm (I believe) won Best Breakthrough Artist/DJ a few years ago, then a 2 year old concurring event can win breakthrough event aswell :P
lol, yeah, what a joke that was as well. Obviously, great that Al Storm was recognised but insulting he was considered Breakthrough. |
| djDMS |
Nothing there that shocks or surprises me.
Mixed bag of results. Some deserved, some expected, some head-scratchingly ridiculous!!
It's back to the same old issues again. Your average raver doesn't have the same outlook as many of us here, they see names/status and nothing else. They worship Styles because OMG DARREN STYLES R BANGIN LIKE! NOT, because of their (lack of) knowledge of the 'scene'.
Facebook has turned what were already flawed awards into a spamming/begging contest. Don't wish to take anything away from some of the winners because they ARE deserved, but different awards done by different (dare i say with less of a vested interest) people would mean different results.
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| The drunken scotsman |
Hopefully Klubfiller learns that pimping yourself for votes actually makes people want to not vote for you. Pleased for Joey riot & Kurt they're on fire at the moment. Usual suspects in the best dj, MC and producer categories. Although I thought re-con might have won best producer this year. Track of the year was always going to be concrete angel, slightly disappointing that its a remix of a trance tune rather than original hardcore but that vocal is just too good to ignore. |
| Ken Masters |
I'm not surprised Best label & album went to the lethal theory boys, they are the kings of promotion & have been on a mission with this powerstomp movement recently, its offered something new/different & that's grabbed everyone's attention. The HU boys will have their day...
As for the Freeform result, I honestly don't blame the average voters for this. Bloody hell, we cant all agree on what makes freeform freeform nevermind some little styles fan boy trying to place a vote in a category he knows nothing about.
Its great to see Scott Brown winning the lifetime achievement award :) the amount of outstanding material that man has churned out over the years is exceptional, the scene wouldn't be what it is today without him. |
| _Jay_ |
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
Its great to see Scott Brown winning the lifetime achievement award :) the amount of outstanding material that man has churned out over the years is exceptional, the scene wouldn't be what it is today without him.
From what I understand (from one of my educative sessions with Matt (Hard2Get)), he, almost, single-handedly kept the scene alive when it was going through a crisis around '99.
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| CDJay |
Right, I've done my absolute damndest to say as little about this as possible until now. However, I think it's worth stepping back for some perspective and bleating a little bit about how I view the whole thing.
The big flashpoint: Freeform categories. Well, this should never have been added. I thought that when people were saying it should be added, I thought it after the result last year and I think it now. It's like asking me to vote on best Whiskey when I don't drink it or know anything about it. IF the entire thing had been effectively gamed then maybe *MAYBE* it could have secured some reliable main stage bookings for whoever was waving the flag.
So, yea, I use the phrase "gamed". See, the thing is, the awards aren't fixed and never have been. Not directly. They are, however, going to very directly reflect the facts as they have been presented. In most cases this actually leads to a reliable result. It is very, very, unlikely to do so for us because as a collective we are so fantastically under rewarded every step of the way.
I am *not* talking about Room 2 last night, SV have been very supportive this year and no-one is above swapping out of the main arena from time to time. No-one. What I am actually talking about is better demonstrated by NYE. Go look at the line-ups on the major stages. Yea, it's "banana to a knife fight" time. We don't stand a chance.
So, in the context of UK Hardcore circa 2013 we're still lurking on the periphery. Doing elaborate dances on the few occasions a spotlight comes our way.
As long as most of the major promoters give us short shrift there's little more we can do to accelerate. The really sad thing about this is I sincerely feel that we do, and to a far greater degree could, contribute towards the genre.
Looping back, the real surprise is TiP winning best album. There's a lot to take away from that, but the most important one is that that there are two huge positives. One: Things can change. Two: Healthy competition is a good thing.
Joey has made no secret of the fact that our winning last year inspired him to work harder, do more. This is a VERY good thing. What would be even better is if these results inspire a healthy competition from the FW camp. There's so much talent in this scene, and it all feels so underutilised.
If I'm brutally honest, we didn't *want* to win anything. Freeform DJ pisses people off. Best label pisses people off. We kinda learned that last year! A result in any of the other categories would paint a huge ass target on us that we'd spend far too much time avoiding artillery rather than getting on with what we're doing. We *could* have spent some time publically hinting around for support. We *could* have run around behind the scenes getting friends and supporters to vote. *Instead* we focused on putting together albums, and writing music. We're in this for the long haul. 
In addendum, personally, I'm absolutely thrilled about Prospect taking the breakthrough sweep!
CDJay
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| Claxton |
Gutted that HU didn't win anything. I know it doesn't make a blind bit of difference and the guys don't really care (as seen by the response from last year's awards). But, I really want to see HU get the recognition for all the amazing work that they do in the scene.
For me they are the best thing about hardcore and have been for years now. They're the driving force in the scene and are continually pushing the music forwards. I question whether I would be into hardcore anywhere near as much as I am if it wasn't for HU.
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| Claxton |
Hardcore Heaven have released the full list of winners and the orders of the top 4 in each award. Looking at this definitely makes me feel more positive about it all.
Fracus & Darwin - 2nd best producers
HU6 - 2nd best album (beating CLXH)
HU - 2nd best label (beating Futureworld)
The 'Powerstomp' brand has really taken off this year and it's not surprising how well Lethal Theory did.. Hardcore Underground is starting to become a force in hardcore; these results show that.
HARDCORE AWARDS RESULTS (TOP 4 IN EACH CATEGORY IN ORDER)
Lifetime Achievement
Scott Brown (w)
Best Hardcore DJ
Gammer (w)
Joey Riot
Kurt
Klubfiller
Best Hardcore MC
Whizzkid (w)
Storm
Wotsee
Enemy
Best Hard Dance DJ
Kutski (w)
Joey Riot
Mark EG
Technikal
Hardcore Techno / Gabber DJ
Joey Riot (w)
Angerfist
Scott Brown
Kutski
Best Freeform DJ/Producer
Kutski (w)
Fracus & Darwin
Marc Smith
Thumpa
Best International DJ
Angerfist (w)
Evil Activities
S3RL
Gregor le DahL
Best Hardcore Label
Lethal Theory (w)
Hardcore Underground
Future World
Klubbed Up
Best Hardcore Producer
Darren Styles (w)
Fracus & Darwin
Kurt
Gammer
Best Breakthrough Producer
Alex Prospect (w)
Technical Difficulties
Outforce
Douglas
Track of the Year
Gareth Emery feat Christina Novelli - Concrete Angel (Darren Styles & Chris Unknown Remix) (w)
Kurt - Kick It
Fracus & Darwin - Free From Form
Kurt & Delgado - MDMA
Hardcore Set of the Year
Joey Riot, Kurt & Mayhem - Westfest (w)
Gammer, Darren Styles and MC2 at Award Winners Party
Joey Riot and Kurt with Storm & Enemy - HTID in the Sun Boat Party
Joey Riot and Kurt (in yer face) - Ravers Re-United
Best Club/Club Night
Hardcore Heaven - o2 Academy Bournemouth (w)
Ravers Reunited - Fantasy Island
Ravers Reunited - Emporium
HTID - Q Club
Best Record Shop/Online Store
Trackitdown (w)
Slammin Vinyl
CD Pack Superstore
Beat Port
Best Website/Magazine
Ravin' Eye (w)
Slammin Vinyl
Happyhardcore.com
Trackitdown
Breakthrough DJ
Alex Prospect (w)
Ben X-Treme
Technical Difficulties
Miss Special K
Breakthrough MC
Mayhem (w)
Energy
Korkie
Offside
Event of the Year
Westfest (w)
HTID in the Sun
Fantasy Island
HTID vs Dreamscape
Best Small/Breakthrough Event
TOWIH (w)
Spunky
Hard as F**k
Love Hard Beats
Best Compilation Album
Lethal Theory This is Powerstomp (w)
Hardcore Underground 6
Clubland Xtreme 9
Klubbed Up Summer Anthems
Best Podcast/Radio Show
Kutski Radio 1 (w)
Lethal Theory Podcast
Klubbed Up Podcast
Krafty Radio |
| kathryn |
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Jesus doesn't deserve a lifetime award for contributing to the Hardcore scene, as he didn't.
He did he allowed the use of the 'Amen' breaks  |
| kathryn |
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Masters:
I'm not surprised Best label & album went to the lethal theory boys, they are the kings of promotion & have been on a mission with this powerstomp movement recently, its offered something new/different & that's grabbed everyone's attention. The HU boys will have their day...
As for the Freeform result, I honestly don't blame the average voters for this. Bloody hell, we cant all agree on what makes freeform freeform nevermind some little styles fan boy trying to place a vote in a category he knows nothing about.
Its great to see Scott Brown winning the lifetime achievement award :) the amount of outstanding material that man has churned out over the years is exceptional, the scene wouldn't be what it is today without him.
ts great to see Scott Brown winning the lifetime achievement award :) the amount of outstanding material that man has churned out over the years is exceptional, the scene wouldn't be what it is today without him.
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| wong |
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Jesus doesn't deserve a lifetime award for contributing to the Hardcore scene, as he didn't.
i disagree . jesus IS hardcore |
| wong |
quote:
Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Hopefully Klubfiller learns that pimping yourself for votes actually makes people want to not vote for you.
oh god yeah, that really was cringeworthy . was so tempted to say something everytime he did it , but decided against it lol |
| Quicksilver |
Funny, the people most desperate on the boards and FB to yell for votes were the ones ending up at #4 in the total results. :P A lesson to be learned there maybe!
I just don't understand how TiP could possibly beat HU6 or even CXH9 for that matter. I mean no offense, but I just don't get it. :) |
| latininxtc |
quote:
Originally posted by CDJay:
The big flashpoint: Freeform categories. Well, this should never have been added. I thought that when people were saying it should be added, I thought it after the result last year and I think it now. It's like asking me to vote on best Whiskey when I don't drink it or know anything about it.
You know it's a bit ironic that Thumpa was one of the ones that led the movement into getting Best Freeform DJ/Producer category on the awards yet no actual freeform dj/producer has yet to win it. |
| wong |
quote:
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
I just don't understand how TiP could possibly beat HU6 or even CXH9 for that matter. I mean no offense, but I just don't get it. :)
i didnt vote but if i did i would of voted for tip just for the fact that its unmixed. and good |
| Hard2Get |
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
If Al Storm (I believe) won Best Breakthrough Artist/DJ a few years ago, then a 2 year old concurring event can win breakthrough event aswell :P
lol, yeah, what a joke that was as well. Obviously, great that Al Storm was recognised but insulting he was considered Breakthrough.
If Al Storm won best breakthrough then something is very wrong. He's been producing since 1996. |
| Quicksilver |
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
If Al Storm (I believe) won Best Breakthrough Artist/DJ a few years ago, then a 2 year old concurring event can win breakthrough event aswell :P
lol, yeah, what a joke that was as well. Obviously, great that Al Storm was recognised but insulting he was considered Breakthrough.
If Al Storm won best breakthrough then something is very wrong. He's been producing since 1996.
He did, it was hilarious. |
| latininxtc |
quote:
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
If Al Storm (I believe) won Best Breakthrough Artist/DJ a few years ago, then a 2 year old concurring event can win breakthrough event aswell :P
lol, yeah, what a joke that was as well. Obviously, great that Al Storm was recognised but insulting he was considered Breakthrough.
If Al Storm won best breakthrough then something is very wrong. He's been producing since 1996.
He did, it was hilarious.
Well remember that during the time of Al Storm's win, the nominations were picked by, well who the fuck knows who picked them, but it wasn't voters. So when you put up one very established dj/producer like Al Storm against some that are not-so-well known, clearly the odds would be in Al Storm's favor.
And there is a very good possibility that perhaps people were too stupid enough not to realize how long Al Storm's career has spanned. These voters have about the same mentality as the ones who voted Kutski to win best Freeform DJ/Producer, so they wouldn't have known that Al Storm used to just be known as DJ Storm and/or Alistair Storm.
I'm curious though, which Storm came first? Al Storm, or the obnoxious pedo-crying asshole who is in dire need of a dentist appointment? |
| Thumpa |
quote:
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
Funny, the people most desperate on the boards and FB to yell for votes were the ones ending up at #4 in the total results. :P A lesson to be learned there maybe!
I asked for votes as I thought something like this might happen (again), a non freeform DJ winning best freeform DJ. Its not a lesson to be learned, I didn't want to win best freeform DJ for my own satisfaction, I wanted to win it so a freeform DJ would win it and that would open the door to more sets playing proper freeform at big raves and getting more people into the music. I had the most chance as I played at some good things this year, plus my label releases a wide variety of music that gets people interested in artists like Le Dos-on, Nomic etc alongside people like Douglas, jD-KiD etc. The plan backfired unfortunately, so you won't be hearing from me again on the subject.
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| Quicksilver |
So you're giving up DJing because someone who doesn't play freeform wins the award instead of you, who's been begging everywhere for votes? It has nothing to do with your ego being hurt? Yeah. Okay. I think we all buy that, Thumpa. ;)
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| _Jay_ |
Andreas, I know Olly can come across as a bit of an egotistical slag on here and online in general, but almost all of what he does is with the intention of improving the visibility, health and accurate representation of Freeform - not for his own personal ascension.
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| Thumpa |
No I am giving up because I'm going to be a dad in May and I've done pretty much everything I wanted to do, Westfest and mixing HU6 were 2 to tick off the list and they are done now. |
| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by Thumpa:
No I am giving up because I'm going to be a dad in May and I've done pretty much everything I wanted to do, Westfest and mixing HU6 were 2 to tick off the list and they are done now.
Oh, that's the reason Rebuild is closing/put on hold? The the last Album should've been called "The Show will go on" |
| latininxtc |
perhaps Stamina Records is willing to take over the Rebuild albums. I mean it would be nice to prevent it from dying down. |
| Samination |
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
perhaps Stamina Records is willing to take over the Rebuild albums. I mean it would be nice to prevent it from dying down.
Really? is there only 2 labels that does (proper?) Freeform now? Ever since Kevin Energy left and Shanty closed/slowed down Electronica Exposted freeform labels have died out...
No. I believe A.B is already busy with his label so I believe it would be better if someone else took care of it. But is there really anyone with varied knowledge (like thumpa or Shanty) who can helm a freeform album without it steering too much in one direction (kinda like the Watchtower albums). |
| _Jay_ |
It would be silly to try and replicate/replace that album serious exactly, but there's definitely space for someone else to do something Freeform based, relatively regularly,now.
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| Thumpa |
quote:
Originally posted by latininxtc:
perhaps Stamina Records is willing to take over the Rebuild albums. I mean it would be nice to prevent it from dying down.
Why the **** would I let anyone take over a label that I started and turned into a massive success?
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