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whispering
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 Posted - 2006/03/28 : 21:01:55
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Had a quick look & I can't find anything.
This is what i mean, hell you might be right, but untill i see an unbiased research i'm not going to believe you. Also it would have to be counted from e.g. people that started using alcohol on a regular basis in the year 92, and from the people that started using ecstasy on a regular basis in the year 92. That way it would be more reliable then comparing users that have used 5 years, to drinkers that have been drinking for decades. Anyway, i found that -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/drugs_uk/drugs_grid/html/default.stm
I consider BBC pretty reliable and they have listed the sources on the bottom, like it should be.
I could say based on that, that more people die because of ecstasy then from Amphetamine, mushrooms and LSD combined ;) Of course when you check the statistics, you would see that the 2 latter may not have data available, and Amphetamine alone kills more then ecstasy.
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 21:15:11
tis good yeah...
but shame there isn't anuff info on it... :(
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 21:15:31
Haha fair enough mate. I think BBC would be fairly reliable but you have to think of the things they wont point out! For example, I know someone that whacked there head the morning after she had taken XTC, she died because of the whack to the head but it went on the records as an XTC related death... How often does this sort of thing go on. Also where the hell do they get there "Usage estimates" from? If some person came knocking round my house and asked me what drugs I took I wouldn't bloody tell him.
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 21:24:22
yeah i agree... all i can say on the matter is the same as taking the drugs really...
if ya wanna take them... then take them...
you have your own right to do what you feel you sould do...
same goes for
if you wanna beleave whats tons and tons of sites are saying then bleave it...
i sure as hell do!!!!!
i mean theres tons of sites saying the same things... i mean... why would you really wanna make up aload of crap lol... its a bit poinless lol... I'm not saying some don't... but some sites like...
gooddrugsguide and askfrank...
these are sites USED for the porpose of drug resaerch and are known for it...
i don't see why they would wanna lie and like i said... there pretty "fair" sites...
they don't sterotype anything on there...
witch is what people really look for....
anyways... I'm sure with ALOT of reserach and browsing the net... we could come across some OFFICIAL documents and servas!!!
but it begs to ask the Q...
CAN WE REALLY BE ARSED!!!! lol
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 21:30:15
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Also where the hell do they get there "Usage estimates" from? If some person came knocking round my house and asked me what drugs I took I wouldn't bloody tell him.
"...drug taking is not the easiest subject to get solid data on: users of recreational drugs are naturally reticent at admitting their habits and people addicted to hard drugs tend to have chaotic lifestyles meaning they are difficult to count.
"We have very scant evidence about how many people are using drugs," Mr Linnell says.
"We can't even give accurate figures of how many people are in treatment for heroin and rock cocaine, let alone magic mushrooms, cannabis and ecstasy."
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Over 20,000 respondents are asked, anonymously, which drugs they have taken in the past month, year or in their lifetime."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4229470.stm
So i guess those are pretty "rough" estimates :p See now when you see the facts with sources and how they were collected/surveyd, its much easier to say how reliable they are.
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
i mean theres tons of sites saying the same things... i mean... why would you really wanna make up aload of crap lol... its a bit poinless lol... I'm not saying some don't... but some sites like...
gooddrugsguide and askfrank...
these are sites USED for the porpose of drug resaerch and are known for it...
It's called Propaganda -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 23:11:15
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I didn't want to enter this discussion but I have been drawn by your last comment Whispering!
Propoganda - that is bollocks! TalktoFrank is no way a propoganda site - it is an independant government funded site. It is not in the governments interest to promote drugs!! Alcohol and tobacco yes but drugs NO!
BTW Talktofrank state:
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Sk8SiM - don't diss Whispering! I agree with what you are saying but I don't like your attitude! If the facts speak for themselves then let them and don't be rude!!
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Posted - 2006/03/28 : 23:21:47
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Sk8SiM - don't diss Whispering! I agree with what you are saying but I don't like your attitude! If the facts speak for themselves then let them and don't be rude!!
i agree :D sorry Whispering!
i didn't really mean any offence i'm just a very sarkastic person :P
in the end it was kinda fun tho us 3 on the hunt to find facts lol :P
anyways kat... nicly said :D
you have sed light on this topic :P haha
once again soz if i courced any offecne :P
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 03:59:26
Well,it happened to us in america now overseas. Ever since the rave act was passed here in texas rave culture is almost non existant. All you have are these random ass lame parties and the clubs and the big name djs.
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 04:37:21
drugs are illegal, end of.
go ahead take em, but for christ's sake stop spoiling the fun for everyone else.
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 07:34:07
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I didn't want to enter this discussion but I have been drawn by your last comment Whispering!
Propoganda - that is bollocks! TalktoFrank is no way a propoganda site - it is an independant government funded site. It is not in the governments interest to promote drugs!! Alcohol and tobacco yes but drugs NO!
I wasnt singleing out a single site, my post was intended to the fact that Sk8SiM sayd if tons of sites say it, it must be true. Most drug related websites ARE propaganda. They will not post any negative info on the drugs, they will quote everything that make drugs look safer, even if it means taking information totally out of context, posting information without any chance for the reader to verify the facts, that is propaganda. Its not exactly lying, but it sure as hell aint an objective view on the facts. If a site says ecstasy is safer then alcohol then it is untruthful. At least i havent seen a single research stating this, nor have i seen a single research saying that the death rate is lower. I had a quick look on TalktoFrank and it did not contein the "facts" i assumed it would (at least i couldnt find), based on Sk8SiM post.
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 11:33:32
Well i'll just have to agree to disagree as we could go on forever without either side stating proper facts.
As far as not spoling other peoples fun... I try my hardest to be as discreet as I can be at a rave, I keep my gurning as under control as I can and rave as safe as possible for my benifit as well as anyone elses. Personally I think a raves atmosphere would suffer if there was no drugs... I for one am a far more lively, outgoing person if I've had a little something, usually im shy and keep myself to myself.
Respect for you all for not doing drugs but don't look down your noses on those that do as if were all some sort of fook**g scum... k! Not everyone who does drugs is a complete f**k up!
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 15:00:33
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Respect for you all for not doing drugs but don't look down your noses on those that do as if were all some sort of fook**g scum... k! Not everyone who does drugs is a complete f**k up!
Argeed!!!! ^^^^
Can i just say... beleave it or not i was just the same back in the day :P i HATED drug users lol... wasn't till i read up these type of facts and tryed it myself where i saw what everyone was on about... it really is nothing!
also... 7/mill techicly still says true without sources or what....
askfrank states that 600 people have dies since 1996....
bare in mind BBC states that 500,000 people take it every weekend!
so thats 1 mil every 2 weeks and 2 mill every mouth
and if you look at that amount of people taking it... and only 600 deatchs since 1996...
I'l say that was defo around 7/mill :D (if not lower!)
As to end it all tho :) like i keep saying. people have a right to do what they feel they sound do...
theres no point in slaging others off for it... and i also agree with bub... that without drugs the rave scene wouln't be the same... persoanl i think it wouln't really be a rave... it would just be like a rock consert (SHITE!), or something lol... no "love" being shard :P
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 19:58:05
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I try my hardest to be as discreet as I can be at a rave, I keep my gurning as under control as I can.
 thats had me in hysterics bulby mate i have to say your more considerate than me then.
if i want to get messy at a rave i'll get messy and if people dont like it they can f*ck off, i'll stick with my mates and they can go have a good time with theres.
Simple answer to the problem, i'm not out of order to people and i can look after myself.
If for any reason i couldnt look after myself (forget bank number or whatever) my mates will sort me out, and if the shoes on the other foot i'll do it for them.
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 20:06:23
Haha you'd understand if you ever saw me in full gurn ;)
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Posted - 2006/03/29 : 23:09:32
People who knock off at parties or any other circle of friends with me I will let you know. You can knock off but don't a dumb ass about Sh!t. As for the whole raid thing well it was bound to happen It happened here in north america and will happen in other places.
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