Mortis Advanced Member
United Kingdom
7,493 posts Joined: May, 2004
341 hardcore releases
Posted - 2009/09/18 : 22:21:36
Although I like Smoogie's idea's I have to agree with everyone else: put up or shut up.
You've made a bold statement Smoogs, time to throw down
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 12:18:27
I like it when people say Hardcore has 'evolved' when really (if you listen to Clubland or HTID) you can hear how dated today's Hardcore is lol
Listen to a 95 Hardcore tune and comepare that to a 1999 Hardcore tune & then compare 05 to 09 and we will see how far Hardcore has come over the last 4 years...
1995
1999
2005
2009
So yer, Hardcore has evolved so far we are still in 2005!
Here is another tune, just for the road...
A 2005 sounding Freeform tune from 1997 (listen to the bit at 1.57)
snerkler Senior Member
United Kingdom
461 posts Joined: Aug, 2008
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 12:41:48
quote:Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:Originally posted by CiALiN:
quote:Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
if you're so happy in the early 90s, why don't you stay there and leave the internet generation alone
freeform ftw...if u think 90's hardcore is better then what the nec is putting out...quite frankly your ****in monged out yer tits
Only one way to find out....... Fight!!!
NEC
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NEC
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Hmmm
Not the greatest example of each era now are they ;-) That said Don't Go and Far out are Classics, and Feeling High is the best tune I've heard for a long tme, although the original mix is much better imo
And as for moving backwards, I think you can use elements of the older stuff but still move forwards. Anyone here think that Prodigy's Invaders Must Die album is moving backwards? I certainly don't, but how much of the oldskool element is in that album :-)
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ABET Average Member
United Kingdom
233 posts Joined: Aug, 2003
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 12:43:47
You could equely pick the best tunes from the last 3 years and a terrible tune from 1995 and try to prove some sort of pattern. You just cant do that with 1 tune from each year.
If your tunes are so great post samples. If you were making original stuff you would want the world to hear it.
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SPOOX Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,644 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 14:56:46
One thing that really pisses me off is people born in the late 80's - early 90's slagging older Hardcore off & all this "What's the obsession with the older stuff" shit.
How the fu*k can you comment on something when you wasn't there to experience what it was like. No matter how much you think you know about the scene back then, you wasn't there.
Anywayz. C'mon Smoogie. I too wanna hear what you got. Even if it's just a clip of something your working on.
TheOneNOnly Advanced Member
United States
1,937 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 15:24:58
Once again, we call Smoogie out on his big talk.
Once again, he answers with You Tube videos no one cares about, and still doesn't put up what he always talks about.
Why are you afraid, Smoogie? Why?
Afraid you can't meet up to your ******** hype?
If you talk big, at least be courteous and put up, or just shut up. Jeeeez.
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:
One thing that really pisses me off is people born in the late 80's - early 90's slagging older Hardcore off & all this "What's the obsession with the older stuff" shit.
How the fu*k can you comment on something when you wasn't there to experience what it was like. No matter how much you think you know about the scene back then, you wasn't there.
I agree.
I wasn't there to experience it, so I say nothing on the subject of old school. But, I still believe if you don't like the scene, then don't just sit here and bitch about it too..
Alert moderatorEdited by - TheOneNOnly on 2009/09/19 15:28:24
ferocious New Member
United Kingdom
74 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 16:02:13
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
I like it when people say Hardcore has 'evolved' when really (if you listen to Clubland or HTID) you can hear how dated today's Hardcore is lol
Listen to a 95 Hardcore tune and comepare that to a 1999 Hardcore tune & then compare 05 to 09 and we will see how far Hardcore has come over the last 4 years...
That 95 Brisk track is south English 4-beat breakbeat though. That style was dead 95-96. It did not evolve directly into Elysium. You are comparing two in-contiguous things. You might as well put a hardcore breaks track for the 2009 example.
Compare the Elysium back-frame (1:28) to earlier Brown bouncy work as that's where the evolution is from. He just put that euphoric trance sound around it as that was the new in thing and to breathe life into the format of his.
That said he'd dabbled with trance even before that on Evolution flips. Q-Tex "Heart of Asia" 94-95 is a good example of a 'proto' UK Hardcore, though was just known as hard trance then.
Most of that stuff of today is based around Elysium as that's what "UK Hardcore" style is. Trance pirouette, bouncy bass throughout, breakdowns, trance-type drum. So those clips are going to be more or less the same.
It's known they follow what Scott Brown does since 1993. Those who don't follow are the English originals like Knite Force, hardcore breaks or whatever it's calling itself nowadays.
CiALiN Advanced Member
Ireland
535 posts Joined: Apr, 2009
Posted - 2009/09/19 : 16:43:32
why do you keep posting these videos...you clearly said big kicks were comming back in the 2010's and u knew cause you were making tunes with hard kicks....yet still no clips..you talk quite a large amount of poo
If artists like Darren Styles, Gammer & Sy can make dated sounding Hardcore with trance rifts
????^^^ what exactly does that mean....what is a dated sounding trance riff??
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