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Vladel
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 Posted - 2020/11/01 : 14:12:47
I still buy the modern hardcore that I still like. It is made easier by the fact the gabber scene also interests me with the re-style and Korsakoff releases.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2020/11/01 : 15:13:32
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Originally posted by Samination:
And if it's like Triq said, it's more of a devolving of hardcore, not evolving.
Nah, there's no regression there, just continuation, nothing wrong with that! :)
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2020/12/16 : 10:00:42
Nothing has really changed here. DS charted in the late 00's because the radio versions of his tracks were slowed down.
Our genre is a niche because it's too fast and too frantic for most people's liking.
Having a niche genre that's successful is a bit of a juxtaposition, so it's very hard to maintain.
That said, there has always been a softening of our genre for the masses to enjoy more, and perhaps we need more of it to funnel people toward the less accessible stuff.
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AWal
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Posted - 2021/01/01 : 13:30:24
The more I skim over these kind of threads, the more I wonder I'm the last one left playing 160s at a comfy 175 and timestretching 150 Hard Dance tracks with that solid bass lead to my liking.
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Alex Threat
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Posted - 2021/01/01 : 13:43:47
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Originally posted by AWal:
The more I skim over these kind of threads, the more I wonder I'm the last one left playing 160s at a comfy 175 and timestretching 150 Hard Dance tracks with that solid bass lead to my liking.
I'll play some 160 tracks at 176. I have done one mix of 160 / 165 bpm tracks all played at 168bpm. It actually really works for me and I didn't think I would like the slow style of mixing but the tracks are great
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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2021/04/14 : 20:26:20
The Electric Fox releases are being described as "Happy Hard" so could be known as happy hardstyle?
When UK Hardcore re-emerged again in 2002, it was referred to as UK Hardcore and Happy Hardcore was used alot less but Happy Hardcore seems to be used more commonly again?
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2021/04/15 : 04:46:14
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Originally posted by Sulphurik:
The Electric Fox releases are being described as "Happy Hard" so could be known as happy hardstyle?
When UK Hardcore re-emerged again in 2002, it was referred to as UK Hardcore and Happy Hardcore was used alot less but Happy Hardcore seems to be used more commonly again?
Happy Hard UK Style Core. 
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Anon.
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Posted - 2021/04/15 : 11:24:43
Styles is massively massively overrated, his tracks these days are like hot garbage.
Theres a couple of tracks where he is in collaboration with another artist where the track is good, but his own production is terrible.
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Samination
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Posted - 2021/04/15 : 12:59:17
But hasn't that always been one of Styles' problem. He's good at producing/putting together the tracks, but not the actual composition/writing?
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2021/04/15 : 16:51:32
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But hasn't that always been one of Styles' problem. He's good at producing/putting together the tracks, but not the actual composition/writing?
I think it's the other way around. Because I spoke with Force once about a track of theirs, and he said all the musical stuff was Darren, and he was more the engineer.
Styles is a musician, and really needs a good engineer, he's probably learned a lot since the F&Evolution days, working with Force, then Breeze I reckon he had someone engineer his album but he wrote all the tracks.
I'd say he's a better producer than most, but not up to the scott brown standard
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Samination
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Posted - 2021/04/16 : 03:02:59
What? I had heard that just like Dougal, Breeze couldn't engineer. it was so long ago now so i dont know where I had heard that...
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2021/04/16 : 08:30:37
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What? I had heard that just like Dougal, Breeze couldn't engineer. it was so long ago now so i dont know where I had heard that...
tbh anyone who produces tracks must have some idea how to engineer, even if Styles wasnt good at it back in the day, Force was, and he'd have learned a lot from that time. Breeze had been writing long before he paired with Styles I think so he must have had a good base, so 2 minds together n all that.
Dougal is a good example. And Vibes tbh, ppl who cannot engineer but can be creative.
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9oh9
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Posted - 2021/04/16 : 09:43:19
Styles back in the day was more focused on the music than engineering. I guess over the years he learnt more about the production side of things, which is only natural. Definitely wouldn't say he's overrated; OK his more recent stuff may not be to your taste (or mine), but he's produced some gold standard tracks over the years, and is doing very well with his latest sound.
As for UK Hardcore vs Happy Hardcore, that was originally to draw a distinction between the 1) 90s cheese, 2) The newer/trancier early-00s stuff, and 3) What the rest of the world calls "hardcore" (i.e. gabber). For whatever reason, some artists have decided that happy hardcore is a marketable name again; I guess the younger people going to raves won't have the negative associations with the "uncool" 90s sound?
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Samination
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Posted - 2021/04/16 : 13:04:57
I dont think it was the sound per se that made people look down on (happy) hardcore, but the association woth heavier drugs that makes people roll their eyes time someone mentions the genre or says its a "rave" genre.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2021/04/17 : 06:12:01
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Originally posted by 9oh9:
Styles back in the day was more focused on the music than engineering. I guess over the years he learnt more about the production side of things, which is only natural. Definitely wouldn't say he's overrated; OK his more recent stuff may not be to your taste (or mine), but he's produced some gold standard tracks over the years, and is doing very well with his latest sound.
As for UK Hardcore vs Happy Hardcore, that was originally to draw a distinction between the 1) 90s cheese, 2) The newer/trancier early-00s stuff, and 3) What the rest of the world calls "hardcore" (i.e. gabber). For whatever reason, some artists have decided that happy hardcore is a marketable name again; I guess the younger people going to raves won't have the negative associations with the "uncool" 90s sound?
That couldn't be further from the truth. UK Hardcore was the noughties version of happy hardcore , it had evolved, was it's own thing. No one said it needed to be called that so no one would think it was the same as HHC. In fact, across Europe when they hear UK Hardcore they call it Happy Hardcore. UK Hardcore is it's own thing. It's constantly drawing lines in the sand to segregate genres, that actually damages the scene. Have a giant rave, give each room a different genre, but watch people really enjoy themselves because they have a choice.
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