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ryg0r
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 Posted - 2004/03/29 : 09:46:11
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/28/1080412234274.html
Thats good and bad.
Its crazy though, and just for reference, I never d/l hardcore (unless I own the vinyl).
I have ripped (or tried to...stinking vinyl....) every single hardcore track that I listen to on my comp.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2004/03/29 : 10:42:03
Well, I think it shows that downloading for free has suceeded in getting people more interested in various artists coz they can download random stuff and see if they like it, and then they go buy more of their stuff.
However, the stuff they tend to download is the single.... so why buy another single when you already have it for free.... more sense to buy the album I guess. This is good news for the major labels that release mostly commercial stuff.
However, in the Dance sector, we rely on the sale of singles.... how many artists have albums out? not many.
It seems to be the same old story.... whilst the majors get a boost, the independents get a kick in the teeth.
Just my ramblings!
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quik334
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Posted - 2004/03/29 : 17:02:40
I think the whole downloading of musci should be banned. Yea i kno people can find stuff tehy like by downloading music but what rly makes you think they are going to go out and buy the cd or w-e if they can get it for free by downloading the whole cd. Since hardcore is a very small scene i think they shouldent be downloading it cause its just taking money away from the scene and taking money away from artists making new singles and what not.
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Simon
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Posted - 2004/03/29 : 18:07:48
I think that this is pretty standard.
It's clear to me, and the people I know that downloading illegal music, has made them spend more money on official cd's, and music!
Singles really don't have that much appeal to most people, because people will rather buy the album.
however dance music is totally different most artists ONLY release singles, and not albums.
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MrJakk
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 06:51:00
Pretty much everything i ever downloaded i wouldnt have bought anyway...and now i actually know who they are.
*shrugs*
i buy lots of records tho, and any hardocre ive ever downloaded cant be mixed by me, and is basicaly all from a mix that i never knew about. So, thats not much to me, since i would wrather have a whole mix than just 1 song that cuts off in the end.
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atomicb
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 11:35:42
'however dance music is totally different most artists ONLY release singles, and not albums.'
That's part of the problem. Hell, If I didn't own Decks and DJ, I'd prolly download a bunch of tunes as it would be the only way to get them! The money is out there for them if they can package it in a way a casual user will be receptive too.
I'm all for downloading, of any kind. I download plenty of different things I technically shouldn't, and end up buying almost all of it. And the things I dnt buy - I'd never be able to afford anyway, so they *still* haven't lost any money from me.
Downloading a hanful of badly labled happy hardcore tracks has made my spent close to 1000 pounds on hardcore in 2 years - for someone my age that's one hell of a lot of cash. If I hadn't got the mp3's, I'd never have known about it.
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 12:07:06
I used to dl few years ago, not anymore though. I dont know if i would listen Hardcore if i wouldnt have dl'ed, But after stopping dl'ing i have "found" several genres and artists, so downloading or not music will find its way.
I actually started listening UK hardcore after buying some compilations, after that i really started listening Hardcore.
But in a hypothetical situation, you stand in a record store and you can just "take" the records, or you could go to the register to pay for them. What would you do?
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Originally posted by: atomicb
The money is out there for them if they can package it in a way a casual user will be receptive too.
Witch is IMO the worst thing about this "scene". If there happens to even be a CD single, its not even a real CD single, just a CD-R with some black text on it, mostly doesnt even have a jewel case FFS...
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Menion
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 12:49:16
Cd's are dying, who buys a new cd-walkman nowdays? it's all mp3 (or other compressed digital format). Want to bring your new bought mp3 to the party? Get an mp3 player with FM-transmitter or burn it on a cheap cdr, no need to "protect" it from missuse, just leave it there or throw it away later.
Big crowd saying: nice covers yada yada...
whatever... 
the sooner the industry gets this the better...
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whispering
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 13:10:02
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Originally posted by Menion:
Cd's are dying, who buys a new cd-walkman nowdays? it's all mp3 (or other compressed digital format).
I use an MD-walkman, although i would buy iPod if i had the money. I use the CD's more as buck-up's, if i go somewhere i burn a copy of it. If i'm at home i play them with iTunes. But still i wouldnt buy an mp3, i want the covers, the quality, everything. You know, you cant just print a copy of Mona lisa or wear a t-shirt and imagine its kashmir 
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 14:58:38
Of course it make sense to use a compressed format (I just wish there was something that was the size of mp3's but lossless....)
Save space and time d/ling and bandwidth.
But it just shows that the companies presume too much....
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hy5
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Posted - 2004/03/30 : 15:07:32
Ya if I hear one song from an artist and like it im buying the album or vinyl otherwise I would never even know he/she existed
Ok so I took an IQ test and apparently im a genius....But what good is genius when its wasted on insanity!
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2004/03/31 : 00:32:00
i first got into music in general by taping the top 40 every weekend (The whole 4 hour show!). I would press record when I heard something I liked and just grab it for free. You can not expect to purchase music when I'm 8 or 9 years old and have a income of £2:50 a week pocket money. My mum would buy me a CD for Christmas or my birthday if I was lucky. But this introduced me to many genres of music that I had not heard of before, and this activity of taping radio shows then became a weekday thing too, and sometimes I would find the odd pirate radio station too! I developed a taste for many different forms of music, but I took a huge liking to electronic dance music. I would save the odd two weeks pocket money and buy a single, but i usually had to get my dads blank tapes and record to keep my collection going! Hardcore must have came along somewhere with the taste for loud fast dance music, and a hate of slow easy music that suits the high paced lifestyle of little chocolate and fizzy pop fuelled kids who spend all day running around and playing football and not doing homework or other slow activities! Maybe I heard things on that radio that resembled old skool rave music? well it was probably a few years too late for that. Think when Oasis became popular , or a year before the Spice girls.
Anyway, I'm off at a tangent and there's no stopping me. But I have good memories of the time. When my pocket money increased at 12 or 13ish, I started buying a lot more CDs (I still remember buying bonkers!), I could buy even more blank tapes, started listening to a lot more dance music than pop, would exchange homemade compilation tapes with my friends tapes, e.t.c. This was before MP3. The piracy was still an educational tool in use (i didn't realise it was broadening my interests at the time.) that probally made me buy more cds.
but THEN MP3 came along.
Think 99 or 2000ish, I.S.P's were finally free of call charges in the U.K. Eventually cd writers fell hugely in price too. We could all use the internet a lot more. The internet turned from a minority geek thing, to a must have thing for everyone. I remember being actually able to download a mp3 for the first time, because we no longer had to pay a penny a minute! The first MP3 i ever downloaded was Darude - Sandstorm. At the time i developed a interest for rock music. At the time think, NOFX and Slipknot, were just bands you would never hear in the U.K at all anywhere. Not the radio at all. But with MP3 you can select what you listen to, unlike the radio. This started a huge interest in rock music for me. I could find out what these bands my friend reccomended sounded like, by typing in a few keywords. Another educational rollercoaster was boarded once again , just like when I was taping the top 40. MP3 had destroyed the tradition of radio taping, and because mp3 was a new phenomenon at the time, you felt like you was part of something, as a teenager you actually like the fact that what you are doing is illegal!
And then importing CDs from abroad because you can't get it in your local shop. MP3 has made you part of a movement. You are not restricted by what they tell you anymore. You now seek your own musical path.
MP3 also resurrected my interest in hardcore after the rock music phase (14 to 16) had passed. From about downloading 10 poor quality mp3s, i must own at least 5 of those on nice shiny vinyl, bought loads more vinyl produced by the same artists, and bought a few cds, and The kevin energy australia set in real media format on the nu energy site must have been responsible for my love of freeform and the loss of lots of cash from buying records featured in that set! Promotional mixes offered by dj's online are responsible for most of what I buy, in fact when i go to a record store to buy vinyl, at least 50% of the records i buy are already chosen before i find them on the racks because i have heard them at home, numerous times, and had more time to judge them than simply playing the record once in a shop. I still get the odd mp3 now and then, i would never download a whole album nowadays, but I did once download the whole of blink 182s album, only to buy it on cd one week later because i enjoyed it. recently i did buy 2 blondie albums as a result of slight mp3 downloading. I think the white stripes are next.
To conclude, MP3 is a great thing, it's just bad for record companies who want us all to listen to the same thing, so they don't have to spend as much producing different types of music! Maybe they don't want you discovering what is not on the radio, i.e hardcore.
And downloading singles is bad for hardcore? do you all have your very own vinyl press or something? If you have the mp3, you aren't going to play it on the decks, unless you have final scratch, so you will buy the vinyl anyway. Hardcore CD singles? try and find one in your local Our price or HMV, and you may understand better that cd singles are not about still!
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silver
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Posted - 2004/03/31 : 05:20:15
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Originally posted by Kyle_Buffrey:
And downloading singles is bad for hardcore? do you all have your very own vinyl press or something? If you have the mp3, you aren't going to play it on the decks, unless you have final scratch, so you will buy the vinyl anyway. Hardcore CD singles? try and find one in your local Our price or HMV, and you may understand better that cd singles are not about still!
Ask any label owner if they make money from vinyl, the answer 95% of the time is no, vinyl is to get the tune out there and heard, it is the starting point for all genres both new and experimental. Basically you make 5 tunes on vinyl and one should get onto a CD where you should make your money back for the other vinyls and that tune... Alot of artists and labels rely on this income...
The "main" problem is not downloading kills vinyl sales (which is another arguement) it kills these CD sales, and in such a small genre as hardcore where the difference between 1,000 CD's sold and 2,000 CD's sold means alot every download hurts. See my point?
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2004/03/31 : 07:53:47
Yeah I have to agree with both and none of you (now isn't that zen....)
Its not fair that people d/l tracks under the guise that they are deciding whether or not to buy the album....
Its not far that companies charge so friggin much for albums as well.
I know a great industrial band that charges like $10 for their CD (which, I must say is the bomb) Why can't more people do that?
I'm planing on starting a record label or at least a fancy ass album, which will cost $1500 for 1000 copies. I can sell 150 for $10 and give the rest away. Thats assuming that I do the distribution myself (car + petrol!)
I think the most expensive (and critical part) is the distribution. Oops, slightly off topic....
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Posted - 2004/03/31 : 08:10:57
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20040330/tc_washpost/a34300_2004mar29
it looks like the RIAA have some explaining to do...
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Posted - 2004/03/31 : 10:37:49
^^^ that's crap, you can make a report look anyway you want. The said for every 150 download you get one sale... holy crap that's pathetic... that means 150 downloaded it instead of buying it... This is a piece of shit report.
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