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zelachang
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 Posted - 2005/06/25 : 09:51:17
Id just like to say "hardcore" != "happy" hardcore
the NEC is doing fine (as posted above) and there is plenty of goodness coming from outside of the UK
from the perspective of someone from the US, things havent changed a bit, hardcore is still mostly unkown and there is still goodness coming from overseas and at home
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 10:07:25
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Originally posted by zelachang:
Id just like to say "hardcore" != "happy" hardcore
the NEC is doing fine (as posted above) and there is plenty of goodness coming from outside of the UK from the perspective of someone from the US, things havent changed a bit, hardcore is still mostly unkown and there is still goodness coming from overseas and at home
First things first. Let me introduce you to my friend:
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Yes, thats a full stop. You use it to end sentences so that what you say flows, and tells the reader he can take a breath. It also helps emphasise what your saying, and helps make sense to a pile of ramble.
You should meet up with full stop some time and get to know each other.
Second, happyhardcore IS hardcore. I dont want to start the genre bashing and pigeon holing all over again. Its a pain in the ass. Next we'll be like trance, with its 50 million sub genres. Tech-two-step-jungle-minimal-progressive-epic-trance, and other such fart ass nonsense.
Its hardcore, and if you dont like it, start a record label and call it what you want.
My point is not that there isnt talent. There is heaps of it. My point is that genuine talent (outside the UK) isnt getting much of a chance. And because of the big boys not doing what they should (helping raise up new talent so that the scene can flourish) they sit there and promote themselves. Thats not cool and thats not how its done.
What do I think of Clubland X-Treme? I love the tunes, but it was practically another RaverBaby album. The most underground artist on that CD was Resist/AMS. Thats not cool.
Diveristy is the key. Supporting the smaller not so huge artists is also the key. I mean, a new budding producer isnt going to produce ch00n after ch00n after ch00n if he has no support. He's not going to make loads of sales if no-one buys either.
Argh, there are so many aspects of the whole thing, that it too gets on my goat.
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 10:09:22
BobbyRitalin, cheers bro :)
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 11:10:23
Originally Posted By ryg0r:
My point is not that there isnt talent. There is heaps of it. My point is that genuine talent (outside the UK) isnt getting much of a chance. And because of the big boys not doing what they should (helping raise up new talent so that the scene can flourish) they sit there and promote themselves. Thats not cool and thats not how its done.
i agree with u 100% there. And i think there is alot of local talent in other countries that could really do alot for the hardcore scene, but they dont get to flourish as u said. I have noticed that they get popular within the country itself but not much further. Da big boys should really stop admiring themselves & give the fresh, new talent of today a chance.
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dj nlm
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 11:10:45
judging by the amount of non ravers i'm seeing @ events imploding is quite likely as these people dont know what they like asides drinking themselves into oblivion , fighting and risque sexual practice.......
i cant see it getting 2 big....
on my estate its donk donk donk from every house
however the real steezo is growing by the week i think and the tunes getting better
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zelachang
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 12:13:48
Well since you cant understand me if i dont use periods, I'll just have to use grammatically correct english on a forum. Anyways, in response, I can't say I disagree with you concerning the "big boys" helping the new producers. Clubland pretty much was an RB album but I think the real question is whether or not people who love hardcore will buy it. Obviously Clubland Xtreme got a lot of sales but will it stay that way? Maybe I speak for a minority but I didn't buy Clubland and am waiting expectantly for HT3 simply because of the diversity. If WE, the hardcore listeners, support albums that have diversity then thats where the money will be. I'm sure its not that simple but my feeling is that if the listeners actively support diversity then diversity will stay. I guess I should rephrase that "hardcore" != "happy" hardcore. What I meant to say that even though hardcore is lagging in some areas, it appears to me that its doing fine in other areas/regions. Call me misinformed if you wish but thats the way it looks to me.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2005/06/25 : 13:12:31
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Originally posted by dj nlm:
luna c will save us all
After his set at raindance last week i can safely say this guys a genius and cant believe it's took me this long to actually realise it.
I think the scenes going two ways to be honest with two different kinds of ravers you get. Most of the popular new hardcore to me anyway jus sounds like a type of hard dance a bit faster and i think the clubbers into it are very similar. I'm not gettin at hard dance ravers here i've spent many gd nights at tidy's etc but theres a diff culture to the original hardcore ravers from the 90's.
Go to raves that arent as well known like raindance, total bedlam etc and you'll find exactly what i'm talkin about real ravers who love a diversity in music and for me anyway create a better atmosphere. I will always still go to big events to feel that big rave atmosphere but thats the side of the scene i think will die out eventually.
Gabba on the other hand will never become even slightly commercialised in the uk so it's quite safe to say the people into it now will stick with it and the atmosphere will stay the same. Jus dont seem to get it the same way in other rooms like when people are goin that offit and bangin into each other, i've seen people get accidentally elbowed in the face turn round laff at each other and shake hands. To me thats quality so i suppose i'l jus keep checkin out all the diff parts of the scene i can and stick with whatever's doin it for me at the time.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 01:46:42
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Gabba on the other hand will never become even slightly commercialised in the uk so it's quite safe to say the people into it now will stick with it and the atmosphere will stay the same. Jus dont seem to get it the same way in other rooms like when people are goin that offit and bangin into each other, i've seen people get accidentally elbowed in the face turn round laff at each other and shake hands. To me thats quality so i suppose i'l jus keep checkin out all the diff parts of the scene i can and stick with whatever's doin it for me at the time.
Its funny you say that because gabber has more sales than (happy)hardcore ;)
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 02:15:06
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Originally posted by lucificifus:
Who cares? If it dies it dies, nothing I can do about it. I'm dragging my freinds to a rave on sunday with promises of drugs. For most people "techno" is just "music for when I'm rollin". Most new people on this board in fact.
And btw...
Its a hard trance rave. And I'm not going to care that its not hardcore, I'm just going to enjoy myself.
And guess what...
without drugs. I like most hard electronica, even if its a bit boring.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
Keep pushing your hardcore tapes, keep exposing your freinds, and quit worrying about the scene dieing. Just be your self. Hell, I still play tape packs for 99 (YES I LIKE EVOLUTION 30-55). As Silver says: its all hardcore.
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 02:29:29
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
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Originally posted by Baldo:
Gabba on the other hand will never become even slightly commercialised in the uk so it's quite safe to say the people into it now will stick with it and the atmosphere will stay the same. Jus dont seem to get it the same way in other rooms like when people are goin that offit and bangin into each other, i've seen people get accidentally elbowed in the face turn round laff at each other and shake hands. To me thats quality so i suppose i'l jus keep checkin out all the diff parts of the scene i can and stick with whatever's doin it for me at the time.
Its funny you say that because gabber has more sales than (happy)hardcore ;)
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Then isnt that heading for a flop?
big MOH cd's sell hugly, while Enzyme ones sell less....same for say, clubland extreme vs elation records cd.
MOH event has say 3 rooms, most ppl in mainstream room, less in the other rooms... same can be compared to a HTID type rave.
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joonyer
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 04:53:45
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
First things first. Let me introduce you to my friend:
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Yes, thats a full stop. You use it to end sentences so that what you say flows, and tells the reader he can take a breath. It also helps emphasise what your saying, and helps make sense to a pile of ramble.
You should meet up with full stop some time and get to know each other.
It's laughably ironic how you make that point, yet appear incapable of including an apostrophe in your post, at any point ;) Which brings me to my first point: You managed to read it, you understood it, so where's the problem?
I don't really know enough about the "behind the scenes" state of the hardcore scene to form a decent opinion; I mix but I don't produce (it doesn't interest me really, I hate computers these days) and I've only been passionate and obsessed with hardcore for about 2 years now, so I can't really have an informed opinion on the state of it.
However, there's still a part of me that wants hardcore to do well, but stay "underground" (as opposed to mainstream genres). Now, I'm not one of these people who says "I'm such an individual, I hate mainstream things" because those people annoy me - listen to what you want and what makes you feel good, whether it's pop, goa, hiphop, I don't care, but hardcore is special to me.
Me and my group of friends are all absolutely obsessed with hardcore (some of us more than others) - some of us mix it, and its on my mind every waking moment pretty much, and one of the reasons that it's so special to me, is that it's not very well known (in the grand scheme of things) so when I'm standing in my room dropping beats and cutting, being creative and inventive, I feel special, because our community is so small and defined, generally followed by those who genuinely feel passionate about music. Hardcore for me is more than music, it's a way of life, and has a LOT of control over my emotions and day-to-day well-being. For some people, music is just there to be heard, something to fill in the silence and nod your head to, but for me it's a full on mind-melt, coursing through my veins making me tingle down my spine in ways I can't describe.
No other music has the ability to make me buzz without drugs; the feeling you get from one of those special tunes (you know the ones, we all have them) down your spine is unique, and generally, followers of hardcore seem to understand this more than anyone else.
So what does all this rambling lead to? Well basically, obviously I want the scene to do well, young unknowns to come up and get their creativity known to everyone else, existing producers and artists to succeed... but for every 10 producers that succeed and release a record, a few more will go "ooh, that's successful, I'll have a go at that!" and before you know it, the genre is flooded. There just isn't room for everyone to be involved unfortunately, and I think the commercialisation of happy hardcore will be its downfall, ironically.
Someone already picked up on the trance-hardcore bridges in many of the sets we hear at raves today, and I can't help thinking that some DJs are trying to direct themselves more towards music that will simply sell, as opposed to music that will stay true to everything that defines hardcore. (I'm not branding anyone a sellout here, everybody has to pay the bills somehow!)
As I've already said, I don't know much about the background of hardcore, just things I've picked up from listening to old-skool and friends in their 20s who experienced it all first hand, but I think I'm making sense... at least I hope I am. I was a bit miffed by the Clubland Xtreme Hardcore album - mostly because they included "XTREME" in the title (is it REALLY that hard to write "extreme"? It looks less retarded); in the UK it entered the top 10 of the album charts, which is a great achievement for hardcore, but I can't help but think it only managed that because all the previous Clubland dance fans bought it assuming it was more of the same.
If more albums end up the same way, hardcore is not going to die, but I fear it may change in ways that would ruin the magic and unique nature of the tunes we love from day to day.
I'll be at Raver Baby 2 in Milton Keynes, and I'm hoping to run into many many other wide eyed loved up glowstick wearing true ravers hugging each other, as opposed to chavs expecting trance remixes and starting fights on the people there for their love of music.
Man this has been a long ramble - I apologise for going on, and if I make no sense, but Cally and Juice at 3:53am is a bit intense after a 10hr shift! (Giving hhc.com radio a blast as I'm too tired to operate my mouse!)
Anyway, I hope I've not sounded totally retarded, but that's my 600 cents.
Let's all get down ;)
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 06:16:51
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Originally posted by joonyer:
It's laughably ironic how you make that point, yet appear incapable of including an apostrophe in your post, at any point ;) Which brings me to my first point: You managed to read it, you understood it, so where's the problem?
Yes, I noticed that upon posting, but unlike you, I couldn't have been bothered to edit it.
Yes, I do support hardcore because I produce hardcore and I have no less than 5 tracks (3 originals and 2 remixes) on the Hardcore Tunez 3 album.
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So what does all this rambling lead to? Well basically, obviously I want the scene to do well, young unknowns to come up and get their creativity known to everyone else, existing producers and artists to succeed... but for every 10 producers that succeed and release a record, a few more will go "ooh, that's successful, I'll have a go at that!" and before you know it, the genre is flooded. There just isn't room for everyone to be involved unfortunately, and I think the commercialisation of happy hardcore will be its downfall, ironically.
That assumption is incorrect. As you have stated before, you don't know what happens behind the scenes. :P
I'll tell you what does happen. A producer makes a tune, then sends copies out to labels(and their respective djs) he/she thinks it *could* go on. The label owner or the dj then plays it out and gives feedback to see if it would suit the label, if its fresh and exciting (those are the main selling points for a track).
Then if the label owner likes it, draws up contracts and works out a deal with the producer and then works out a deal with a pressing plant and pays for the pressing, then works out a deal with a distributor and I cant be assed to explain much more.
Yes, there is a lot of money involved. And the label owners take a big risk when signing up new artists and new material. And in doing so, want something different not the same re-hashed idea. That is of course, if you are a smaller label.
Bigger labels, I have no idea what goes on!
But, you wont find the smaller artists doing the same old thing becuase they need to get an edge and distinguish themselves from the pack. Otherwise the labels wont sign them, things dont get released.
As for there being a flooding, vinyl sales are down. Mp3 and CD sales are up, but the average jo dude wont hear the diveristy of the smaller labels. Party for the fact they dont have a big name (thats not do say its not quality choonage) and party because they dont get the exposure.
Meh. I'm gonna keep on making choons. I've already finished another 1 today. Why stop?
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 09:22:28
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i feel like we have to preserve and protect hardcore from the outside world... or else it will be tainted.
You must not be a dj, or a producer.
I'm going to say this again, like I've said before. I for one see no problem with hardcore getting big. The producers need to get paid, the dj's need to get paid, and do know who pays us? You, the Raver. Yes, you and only you will dictate our future in the hardcore scene. If the hardcore scene dies, then so does our careers as hardcore dj's. Keep hardcore a secret? That idea is total ********, and the only reason a raver would want that is so that they can say that they "belong" to an "elite" scene. I for one want to get paid money to do what I love to do. Call me commercial or a sellout, but I don't find anything wrong with someday making hardcore my job.
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 09:31:20
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You must not be a dj, or a producer.
I'm going to say this again, like I've said before. I for one see no problem with hardcore getting big. The producers need to get paid, the dj's need to get paid, and do know who pays us? You, the Raver. Yes, you and only you will dictate our future in the hardcore scene. If the hardcore scene dies, then so does our careers as hardcore dj's. Keep hardcore a secret? That idea is total ********, and the only reason a raver would want that is so that they can say that they "belong" to an "elite" scene. I for one want to get paid money to do what I love to do. Call me commercial or a sellout, but I don't find anything wrong with someday making hardcore my job.
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Posted - 2005/06/26 : 09:35:39
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