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ryg0r
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 Posted - 2005/07/14 : 01:56:56
I had a think about it.
Is (happy) hardcore really that hard?
I mean, I find some hard trance stuff to be pretty nasty.
Where does hardcore begin and makina end? When does it stop being euro dance and start being Raver Baby...hardcore?
I guess for me, I found it humours that hardcore isn't the hardest but its name implies so.
Damn names.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:02:33
No its not hard, gabber is hard, abd some freeform but not that hard:P
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:03:47
i think the name probably puts a few people off tbh
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Brian K
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:08:58
I think most people have developed this sense of what hardcore is by the bpm. taking raver baby for instance, it's classified as hardcore because it's 4 beat and in the 170 bpm.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:19:12
I think the reason why you don't think it's hard anymore, is because your desensitized towards it. Porn is the same, you find yourself looking for harder & harder stuff, until you find your really only satisfeied with fully naked women.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:22:21
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Originally posted by Mortis:
I think the reason why you don't think it's hard anymore, is because your desensitized towards it. Porn is the same, you find yourself looking for harder & harder stuff, until you find your really only satisfeied with fully naked women.
That an interesting point.
But then again, I cant stand hardcore porn. Its too hardcore. The things I've seen are horrible. I dont know how people can purchase, film or participate in some of the crap thats out there.
Anyway, back to music.
I still find some of the older (96) gabber harder than upfront hardcore...
Stupid name.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:35:27
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
But then again, I cant stand hardcore porn. Its too hardcore. The things I've seen are horrible.
I know, animal porn isnt good.
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Originally posted by ryg0r:
I still find some of the older (96) gabber harder than upfront hardcore...
Maybe, because your a producer, and you might pick holes in the newer tunes, rather than seeing them as they where when you where younger. It was always better when you where a kid..
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:40:56
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Maybe, because your a producer, and you might pick holes in the newer tunes, rather than seeing them as they where when you where younger. It was always better when you where a kid..
Also another interesting and insightful point. Maybe I need to retire? Nah, the main reason, I started this topic was because I find the name to be a bit of a contradiction, thats all.
Of cource, even RaverBaby is harder than Darude.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:43:28
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I know, animal porn isnt good.
nor is people dressed up in amusement park costumes, but damn is it funny 
a good chunk of kfa stuff is harder than trancier stuff, and it hardly has kick drums if any.
it's the name we've been branded with, doesn't necessarily mean we have to stay within the boundries of what mainstreamers define the genre as.
however when it comes to money aspects, that's a whole different ball park.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:43:48
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Nah, the main reason, I started this topic was because I find the name to be a bit of a contradiction, thats all.
Granted, happy hardcore is an oxymoron.
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ryg0r
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 02:52:38
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Originally posted by Brian K:
a good chunk of kfa stuff is harder than trancier stuff, and it hardly has kick drums if any.
it's the name we've been branded with, doesn't necessarily mean we have to stay within the boundries of what mainstreamers define the genre as.
however when it comes to money aspects, that's a whole different ball park.
Indeed, more wise words.
Thats it, if/when I start a label, I'm not gonna care about what genre/sub genre it is.
Hardcore to me, is what I call hardcore 
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 03:00:03
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Hardcore to me, is what I call hardcore
Well said, but how can you ask people if hardcore is hard, when your saying to me hardcore is what i call hardcore...
What people perceive as hard is in the eye of the beholder, to you it might not be hard, but to others it might be so hard it's extreme.
So surley hardcore is hardcore.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 03:11:06
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Originally posted by Mortis:
Well said, but how can you ask people if hardcore is hard, when your saying to me hardcore is what i call hardcore...
What people perceive as hard is in the eye of the beholder, to you it might not be hard, but to others it might be so hard it's extreme.
So surley hardcore is hardcore.
Damn relatvity. Stupid subjectiveness crap. I kinda wish there was a definate. But at the same time, as an artist, I like blurring lines 
What about a label called SissieCore?
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 03:32:57
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What about a label called SissieCore?
Don't diss Sissiecore, I buy all of their records.
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 03:33:56
Happy Hardcore well i mean most tracks live up to its genre of being HAPPY and the basslines being rough and HARDCORE.
But as far as getting hardcore(upfront/freeform) Well my friends ask me what makes this "hardcore" well they think its just "fast techno music". In a sense if you don't know what it is it essentially is "fast techno music". Umm there are some "hardore" tracks that i would not consider hardcore i would consider them "hard dance". But when you have that bassline going over 170 and you hear that shuffling of the kickdrum and just thump/psssh/thump/psssh LOL>.well that isn't a good demonstartion of word is it??? lol...i don't know but My friends listen to it they are like why does it have so many vocals and trance stuff in it? and pianos in it? im like thats hardcore. I think the most hardcore tracks are the fast static trance synths and piano rifts. Thats Hardcore and there are some tracks that are just fast and trancey and are hardcore. Alot of people when i say hardcore they are metal or punk? im like upfront hardcore and just it gets dirty! But i think we rightfully own hardcore and we are HARDCORES. But keep posting this is interesting.....
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Posted - 2005/07/14 : 03:44:01
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Originally posted by ecstatic_manic_erocdrah:
Happy Hardcore well i mean most tracks live up to its genre of being HAPPY and the basslines being rough and HARDCORE.
But is *isnt* rough. Its fast trance  Its not really that rough at all.
I cant understand what you're trying to say in the rest of the post though.
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