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awk
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 Posted - 2005/08/23 : 10:44:26
isn't beat matching with vinyls also automatic work ? u learn it once and do it many times...
isn't playing a piano also automatic work ?
isn't painting also automatic work ?
what's the point of it though ?
the role of a dj is to be a great entertainer and use any tools that he can to produce gr8 sets...
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Samination
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 10:54:37
here's my 5 cent, since im a pc 'dj'
Yes, I use software to make my mixes, but I'm not even a bedroom DJ, since i do not do live set. I only do the mixes so i can have the tracks I've legally bought on a CD without intro and outro/ending, is that a wrong thing to do?
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Chris B
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 12:37:31
^^ ^^ Nothing wrong with that samination mate can do whatever you like with your tunes, i dont even think many people have a problem with dj's usin new technology it's jus cheatin to mix then makin money from it people have a prob with.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 13:17:27
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Originally posted by awk:
isn't beat matching with vinyls also automatic work ? u learn it once and do it many times...
isn't playing a piano also automatic work ?
isn't painting also automatic work ?
what's the point of it though ?
the role of a dj is to be a great entertainer and use any tools that he can to produce gr8 sets...
No it isn't, well I don’t know anyone who can press a switch on themselves that makes them paint a master piece, play a piano or mix automatically, all three are things that aren't easy for people to pick up & all require lots of practice and hard work. What you have basically just said is there is no hard work involved in creating art or playing a musical instrument that’s just plain stupid.
Samination there is nothing wrong with what you’re doing that’s fine I just wouldn't pay to see you do it at a party.
I think there is nothing wrong with using new technology as it becomes available but there is using new technology and there is setting new technology to do stuff for you two different things IMO. Where is the fun and challenge in having stuff do things for you? Your not accomplishing anything, the person who made the said hard/software is but your not! If a racing driver sat in his car and had an autopilot take him round the track would you say that person is a good racing driver?
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Jax
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 13:53:09
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Originally posted by Brian K:
that's why I lost all respect for fa fa frolic =P
I don't mind using cds, but when you are using a pc to beatmatch (or any bpm counter for that matter) it just seems like cheating...it also sounds different.
yea you can definatly tell when a computer has matched the beats, its sounds sh1t compared to when its done manually
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StarRizerX
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 17:04:39
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yea you can definatly tell when a computer has matched the beats, its sounds sh1t compared to when its done manually
Seconded
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If a racing driver sat in his car and had an autopilot take him round the track would you say that person is a good racing driver?
Haha that's a the best analogy I've heard that relates to this problem of PC-DJ-ing.
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SEEKY
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 17:08:13
I could never trade my decks in for a laptop! I would lose most if not all of my interest in DJing!
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Mastadon
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 17:38:55
My mate found a computer decks programme which we used a few weeks before he got his sick cdjs
The programme had a bpm counter, it was fun to use but when my mate got his decks - no bpm counter -- I thought I'd never be able to match a bpm, beat matching was covered by the programme
Now I can mix tracks properly and its sooo much more fun and rewarding
PC Mixing is cheating! [Better analogy:] Its like a raver straped into a machine that; made him/her bounce, moved their legs & arms - and blew their ****in Horn!
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awk
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 17:43:44
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
quote:
Originally posted by awk:
isn't beat matching with vinyls also automatic work ? u learn it once and do it many times...
isn't playing a piano also automatic work ?
isn't painting also automatic work ?
what's the point of it though ?
the role of a dj is to be a great entertainer and use any tools that he can to produce gr8 sets...
No it isn't, well I don’t know anyone who can press a switch on themselves that makes them paint a master piece, play a piano or mix automatically, all three are things that aren't easy for people to pick up & all require lots of practice and hard work. What you have basically just said is there is no hard work involved in creating art or playing a musical instrument that’s just plain stupid.
Samination there is nothing wrong with what you’re doing that’s fine I just wouldn't pay to see you do it at a party.
I think there is nothing wrong with using new technology as it becomes available but there is using new technology and there is setting new technology to do stuff for you two different things IMO. Where is the fun and challenge in having stuff do things for you? Your not accomplishing anything, the person who made the said hard/software is but your not! If a racing driver sat in his car and had an autopilot take him round the track would you say that person is a good racing driver?
i have not said, that it would be masterpieces...
i mean.. get it like this, if some famous painter used photoshop instead of canvas, would that still be masterpiece ?
or image j.s. bach playing tocata and fuga from midi sequencer instead by himself.. it would still be the great music...
i don't know, if u get my point though...
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 17:53:07
To me, the main function of DJs are to put songs together so that they don't stop and everyone keeps dancing.
If you do that, then you win.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 19:18:20
awk that is not the same thing, using photoshop actually takes some skill (I can paint a picture better than i could make one in photoshop!) what your saying is if a computer drew the outlines and you filled in the colour its just as good as doing the painting yourself.
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nuskoolraver
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 20:11:51
many moons ago records were discovered, up until now, many things have changed, but one thing is for sure!!! records- then- cassettes/8 track- then- cd's- then- digital/mp3. for four generations of audio technology vinyl is still as popular as it was when it was first introduced. i think it will be a long time til we reach the end of the days of vinyl. i am 100% againgst pc mixing live. probably about 20% of how the crowd acts depends on what the dj is actually doing (body language). if it looks as if hes browsing porn on the internet and jus pressin his mose button every once and a while id go home! and being live, he/she WOULD cheat, coz thats the last place u want to mess up.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 20:18:10
Something tells me few of you are actually DJs
Every compilation such as Bonkers and Hardcore Heaven are mixed on computers but not with "DJ" software...with sequencing software
this ensures that every mix is perfect and allows mixes for the first break starting at the first beat of the intro to the track mixing in
As for DJing at a rave using a PC...I doubt anybody will ever book a DJ who's using traktor unless he's playing his own productions
Anyways, traktor sucks compared to a DJ spinning on real equipment and CDJs - speaking of which, nothing's wrong with playing on CDs if the music you're playing is legal - then respect to you.
Scott Brown plays 90% CDs (makes sense for producers since they can't really get every tune they make on vinyl instantly...and it also makes sense financially)
I personally like vinyl best, and like owning my tunes on vinyl but whatever
Also, if you use "auto-beatmatch" on traktor or whatever PC software your mixing will most likely suck since it's not accurate enough
and you without an external controller you can't really control EQs and everything well enough to put together a good mix
as for saying that you can tell when something is mixed on a computer...that's not true since some of the mixes on bonkers are possible to replicate manually - the only thing is that no matter what the mixes on bonkers will be perfect
however, it's clear that mixes in traktor or pcdj (unless you have a controller of course) will be inferior to "real" mixing
however, some people do live PAs from PCs and that's respectable too
I guess programming a mix in sequencing software and passing it off as your skills is bad though
fine for Scott Brown and the other bonkers djs though - it makes sense on a pro compilation, just not for your personal mixes
anyways I wouldn't worry about auto-beatmatching...beatmatching is pretty much the easiest thing about DJing so it doesn't really matter
those are my thoughts
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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 20:24:43
Well, look at it this way.
Vinyl is pretty expensive to produce, then you need distribution and shops to hold the product for sale. If those said vinyls do not sell then you will have stacks of them in your bedroom for the rest of your life because it would be a shame to throw them away.
Mp3's and CD's are cheaper to produce, consumers recieve thier product sooner and ta-daa instant gratification.
But to see a "dj" hunched over a laptop churning out tunes where no real work is involved? thats just plain retarded. I'd be pretty upset if I had booked Scott Brown and he came with nothing but a laptop. People know him as a dj that will drop vinyl and now cd's.
As for Anabolic Frolic, he can't beatmatch records or cd's and I'm sure he wouldn't be able to figure out how to beatmatch mp3 files either, even though it would do it for him.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2005/08/23 : 21:26:05
haha yeah Frolic sucks
he probably couldn't beatmatch with auto-beatmatch in traktor
all his mixes/"live" sets are made in sequencing software
anyhow it's not about beatmatching
if turntables could auto-beatmatch (...I guess they sortof do since some labels have most of their tracks at the same speed) the DJ would still have tons of work to do to pull off good mixes
it's all about the EQ.
so it's not the fact that the PC auto-beatmatches that's annoying...I can't really put my finger on what's wrong about Djing live from a PC but there's definately something
anyhow, people who DJ using their PC usually don't pay for their music and that's bad for all of us, esp. in a small genre like hardcore
support your scene, buy vinyl (or pay for your mp3s).
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